Ok, this question is somewhat pertinent to me, as in a few years I hope to start an assembly in NH.
We were discussing this last night at the pastor's dinner table, and my point was;
"No one will get baptized in the assembly in NH who's a trinitarian. Before they go into the water, they will have to believe (even if they may not be able to fully understand) that JESUS is the One True GOD."
My brother's thought was;
"Someone who trusts in the blood of JESUS to save them from their sins, and wants to obey the Scripture and be baptized in the name of JESUS Christ, can be baptized, even if they claim to be a trinitarian."
My brothers's train of logic was that many who claim trinitarianism are not true trinitarians.
Anyways, I didn't want to put either view in a bad light, but those were the two dissenting views.
Another question raised was, "What about someone who is in a church that baptizes in a 'sloppy' manner [ie. for one they say, "In JESUS' name" for another they say, "F, S, HG" and for another they say, "Into Christ" and another they say "F, S and HG, in JESUS name!"]" Does the one who just had the titles get lost, while the one with the name gets saved, even though they have no understanding and are a trinitarian? And the response from one brother was, "Well the one that got JESUS' name is like they won the lottery- they get saved!" I was shocked, to say the least, I was so shocked I was stuttering!
What say ye brethren and sisters?
-Bro. Alex
Brother Alex,
i want to be careful with this and I hope the way it comes accross is in keeping with the spirit of humbleness and honesty in which I mean it.
Far too often christians fall into a trap of trying to clean folk up before we baptize them. I dont think Christ meant it to be like that. Baptism is what does the cleaning.
My advice to you would be find lost folk. Preach JESUS. When they find conviction, show them the path of repentance and baptize anyone who wants it!
Paul said that Grace is a TEACHER. The Teacher will bring these people to a proper understanding.
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i want to be careful with this and I hope the way it comes accross is in keeping with the spirit of humbleness and honesty in which I mean it.
Far too often christians fall into a trap of trying to clean folk up before we baptize them. I dont think Christ meant it to be like that. Baptism is what does the cleaning.
My advice to you would be find lost folk. Preach JESUS. When they find conviction, show them the path of repentance and baptize anyone who wants it!
Paul said that Grace is a TEACHER. The Teacher will bring these people to a proper understanding.
I agree 100%
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DAVID A MAN AFTER GOD'S HEART.........
Our late father, as our pastor, taught us to read a few verses before and after the
verse you are studying to get the proper context.
Very good advice.
When people start paraphrasing scriptures, or authors start .......using fragments of scripture, they can make scriptures say almost anything. It's so easy to change the context of what was really meant.
Do you say "WE" as in all of us? or just generalizing? =)
You are right. There are plenty out there that do make it difficult. That is why it seems to take forever for someone to be "filled" with the Holy Ghost in their churches. (or should I say that is why it takes forever for someone to speak in tongues in their churches)
When people start paraphrasing scriptures, or authors start .......using fragments of scripture, they can make scriptures say almost anything. It's so easy to change the context of what was really meant.
What was it Shakespeare said? "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."
I am growing increasingly convinced that Jesus is reaching out to people who have no religious background more than those who have a form of christianity.So we need to talk about Jesus ,preach Jesus,brag about Jesus and testify about Jesus.Then when people are in love with him they will automaticly follow the salvation plan.
My wife and I have talked often on the subject that it seems easier for God to reach those that have not knowledge of Him than those who (no matter who, UPC, ALJC, Baptist, United Methodist, etc...) claim to know everything about Him.
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Winston Churchill
I agree with Bro. Ferd 110%. Sorry to out-agree you, Iceniez, but I really wanted to agree with the Ferdian Wonder. "Ferdian Wonder". I just now made that up. I like it. Bro. Ferd, I hereby name thee, "The Ferdian Wonder"
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Brother Alex,
i want to be careful with this and I hope the way it comes accross is in keeping with the spirit of humbleness and honesty in which I mean it.
Far too often christians fall into a trap of trying to clean folk up before we baptize them. I dont think Christ meant it to be like that. Baptism is what does the cleaning.
My advice to you would be find lost folk. Preach JESUS. When they find conviction, show them the path of repentance and baptize anyone who wants it!
Paul said that Grace is a TEACHER. The Teacher will bring these people to a proper understanding.
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"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7
Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
Bro alex you are a little like a mummy...................
.......wrapped a little to tight. Luagh a little. it's good for your soul
Some things aren't laughable.
You seem to think making fun of ones beliefs is laughable.
I'm guessing you would be a little reluctant to find humor if someone were to bash your own beliefs that you hold dear, firmly believe, have passionate intense experience with, and hold close to your heart.
But its OK for you to make a fake character and do it to others in the name of "humor" isn't it?
Peter answered your question on the Day of Pentecost. Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
When I first came to the Lord, I didn't know if there was one God or a dozen. I didn't know what baptism even was, let alone the difference in FSHG and JN. I didn't know the difference between UPC and RCC. Standards? Holiness? Foriegn concepts to me. I had no clue. The only thing I knew is that someone told me about Jesus. And I wanted Him in my life. I needed Him in my life. So I did exactly as Peter said to do. I called upon Him and He came to me and forgave my sins. Later on, I was baptized in Jesus Name and was filled with the Holy Ghost.
A child entering first grade doesn't need to know how to read. They don't need to know algebra and perfect English to begin school. All they need to do is show up... the Teacher will do the rest. And Peter stated that if we just show up by calling on the Lord, He will do the rest! His Spirit will guide us into ALL truth!
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