Who would Jesus vote for?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by scotty

I still see no connection between what you are saying and scripture. The Word says in several places, this world belongs to Satan not us, it also says that God places kings in their kingdoms and God takes them down. Also , voting is not a civic responsibility, it is a privilage and a freedom for those who wish to participate. There is no connection there either, taxes is responsibility because its the law , its not law to vote.

I believe there are times when the affairs of the world are left to mans free will and there are times when God directs things to His will based on His word. Several instances in the OT were kings put in place because of the words of prophets of God. And other times the throne was handed to some due to family lineage. People have not always had the option to vote for the leaders of their choice. And other times people have had that option only to find it in vain.

What if the Roman people could have voted for its leaders and voted someone into office besides Pilate? Would it have changed the crucifixion ? Maybe a leader voted by the people would have released Jesus? Doubtful.

What about Hitler ? If the people would have had a fair election then maybe WWII could have been averted, as well as the holocaust. Doubtful.

History is full of examples where the action of people is deemed irrelevant in order for the plan of God to play out. I believe we are in such a time. Our own philosophy, that is the root of democracy, states the majority rules. After all that is the point in the first place. History has shown that whenever Gods predestined events are to come to pass that in fact those events happen, mysteriously, despite the will of man or his choices. According to post by many of you concerning the obvious, it appears we are in such a time.

One has stated on this thread his disappointment with the Republican party. I not only agree but use this as an example. We voted them into office in mass and they controlled the majority of the government from 2000 to 2004 and yet accomplished nothing of our interest or decision. In fact, it has been much the opposite. Atheist have all but removed God from every aspect of our lives in this country with the exception of home and church yet they are far from being the majority in this country. Gay rights activist have overcome government and laws against lifestyle and are marrying with approval of the state and church. Yet they are the minority.

When the will of the majority is mysteriously muted in a democratic society, its pretty safe to say that something larger than the people is at work. If God told you today that He was going to place Obama/Biden in power, would you go vote for Obama ? Sit out ? Vote against Obama ?

I'm not sure what the will of God is in this matter. Would God frown on me choosing not to vote ? Is that scripture ? Is it possible for Gods will to be not to vote? If it is a time for the ungodly to take power then would God want us to willingly vote for the ungodly candidate? Or are we supposed to vote against the plan of God in order to show ourselves to vote for a seemingly less evil candidate?

In our democracy man has chosen to separate church and state. In light of the above questions that policy may be the smartest choice man has ever made on his own. Either way, because I may choose not to vote in no way removes my right to voice opinion or decisions. After all, just because some may vote don't mean their opinions and decisions are any more relevant than one who doesn't. Are they ?

You may not agree with my opinion and thats cool. But don't try to make it scripture when its not.

Here's the orginal question:

If Jesus was a citizen of the United States of America who would He vote for or would He not even vote?


I used scripture because from scripture I see a clear mandate for Christians to interact, shine in this world.

I didn't say the scriptures mandated voting, but it does mandate our interaction.

It is my responsibility to work. There is not a law that mandates this. If I wanted to, I could be homeless. If I wanted to, I don't have to vote.

But I believe Jesus is pleased whenever we our interaction with this world brings Him Glory.

One of the ways we CAN shine is by participating in the election process-- a civic responsibility. Voting is a civic responsibility, the duty of a citizen who wants to have a voice in how our government is operated.


Sure God allows what He allows, but we do have some control as to what He allows, in some circumstances. If this isn't true, then neither is the scripture that speaks of binding and loosing on earth and in Heaven.


We should not let our good be evil spoken of, but that does not mean we should not do good. Voting is a good thing for the Christian to participate in.

[Jermyn Davidson]

If I don't use scripture, what should I use to answer the question if Jesus would vote or not vote?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by 1399

If I don't use scripture, what should I use to answer the question if Jesus would vote or not vote?

Now apply that question to anything else but voting and you could start a thread that would rival MOW's record breaking thread. And possibly be the most edifying thread this forum has seen.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by scotty

Now apply that question to anything else but voting and you could start a thread that would rival MOW's record breaking thread. And possibly be the most edifying thread this forum has seen.

Well I'd like to answer this question in the context of this discussion.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by 1399

Well I'd like to answer this question in the context of this discussion.

oh, sorry . As I said, you can't. Verifiably.

Just like all the different views here, you can take some and give your belief of what it means to you. But that "standard" is for you. You still have not actually qouted scripture. You have given pieces of it and attached your thoughts on it. All of which I respect. But I don't see where it is set in stone. As I said, how do you know God does not want us to even vote ? How do you know God is not setting up the opposite of what you are voting ? And further more, and most important I might add, is that scripture does tell us that we should be of one truth, one accord, a house divided can not stand. Isn't it bad enough we argue over serious salvational issues without deepening the divide with worldly events ?

JMO

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by scotty

oh, sorry . As I said, you can't. Verifiably.

J Isn't it bad enough we argue over serious salvational issues without deepening the divide with worldly events ?

JMO

I see where you're coming from. I doubt the author of this thread was trying to create division. I bet he was trying to foster a discussion, an exchange of ideas and opinions in a civilized, public forum.


This is where you have to post, in response, a picture of the guy throwing the rock and he ends up hitting himself in the head repeatedly.

I rolled for days after seeing you post that, months and months ago.

[scotty]

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[All4one]

Most are arguing if Jesus would vote or not. IF He voted would He vote for McCain? Would He vote for McCain just because of Sarah Palin?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Way out on a limb, but hey....

I think Jesus Christ would vote for Sen. Obama

(commence the stoning)

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by 1399

Way out on a limb, but hey....

I think Jesus Christ would vote for Sen. Obama

(commence the stoning)

Why do you say that? Just because he ate with sinners and wine bibbler's (sp)and crooked tax collectors doesn't mean he would vote for them. He would tell Obama to turn from his wicked ways, repent and be baptized I would imagine, he'd probably tell Senator McCain as well as most of our politicians the same thing.Some are just worse than others but all are lost without repentence. And I do pray for all of them including Obama daily.