The Reality: Obama Supporters Can't Elucidate Why

[SlowFade]

I enjoyed this email that was shared in the general conversation area of the Fellowship Hall:

I'm a little confused.
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different.."
Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is:
Local weather girl,
4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people,
20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and a heartbeat away from the presidency should a 72 year old man (who has had cancer 4 times) die.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard law graduate who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by SlowFade

Of course you're confused, you're a McCain voter.

Obama may not have all the experience you and I would like a President to have....but he demonstrated far better wisdom in his VP pick than McCain. That tells me that Obama chooses subordinates and advisors wisely; his cabinate will be strong and capable. McCain chose an inexperienced VP candidate (one just as bad if not worse than Obama himself). That tells me McCain's cabinate and advisors will be a circus of ineptitude.

Obama's VP pick is not exactly impressive. Remember, he is only popular in his own little world. The man has run for the presidential nomination how many times and lost ? Just like Palin, nobody knew who Bidden was before now.

Originally Posted by SlowFade

Distortion.

At least half of Obama's first term will be spent helping America get back on track. Most of his initiatives will have to be changed in various ways to get through congress before becoming law.

This is the scariest part of this scenerio for me. Not just the fact that Obama will be "helping America get back on track" but there will not be any checks and balances. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but will the Dems not have full control the entire government if Obama wins ? Aren't they looking to have enough to be fillabuster proof ?

I don't care if it's Dems or Rep. No one party should ever have COMPLETE control. Ever.

[OldTimey]

Originally Posted by scotty

Just like Palin, nobody knew who Bidden was before now.

Really?
Are you serious?

[SlowFade]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

Really?
Are you serious?

Scotty....I think you just didn't know who Biden was until now. lol

[jediwill83]

my point was that I dont make a decision on promises made. I still would like to see a workable PLAN on how all this will be accomplished....and before you characterise me as a rabid Mccain supporter understand im not exactly frothing at the mouth over either candidate.

[All4one]

Obama has no record to stand on. Why are people so enthused about him? Its not that they just like him better than McCain, they act like he is the answer to our problems, like we really really NEED him. I always laugh off the notion of him being anti-christ but now Im starting to wonder. The Bible says he would decieve the very elect or something like that.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by SlowFade

Of course you're confused, you're a McCain voter.

Obama may not have all the experience you and I would like a President to have....but he demonstrated far better wisdom in his VP pick than McCain. That tells me that Obama chooses subordinates and advisors wisely; his cabinate will be strong and capable. McCain chose an inexperienced VP candidate (one just as bad if not worse than Obama himself). That tells me McCain's cabinate and advisors will be a circus of ineptitude.

Your own logic works against you.

You are saying you won't vote for Mac b/c of his VP pick and will vote for O b/c of his. Yet the very reasons you oppose Palin are the very same arguments against Obama. You undermine your own logic.

If Obama's lack of experience is not a reason to vote against him, how can you say it is a reason to vote against Mac b/c of Palin?

Does anyone else see the confused rationale here?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Your own logic works against you.

You are saying you won't vote for Mac b/c of his VP pick and will vote for O b/c of his. Yet the very reasons you oppose Palin are the very same arguments against Obama. You undermine your own logic.

If Obama's lack of experience is not a reason to vote against him, how can you say it is a reason to vote against Mac b/c of Palin?

Does anyone else see the confused rationale here?

I do, but I've given up with him!

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by SlowFade

I enjoyed this email that was shared in the general conversation area of the Fellowship Hall:

I'm a little confused.
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're "exotic, different.."
Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.

No. Chumming around Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, Dohrn and the like makes you "exotic" and "different".

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

No. Donating $800,000 to ACORN, attending Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years, launching your political career in the living room in the home of Bill Ayers and voting against a bill that would protect children that survived botched abortions would make you a "radical".

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

Graduate from Harvard and espouse liberal ideology and you will become a STAR with Hollywood and Northeast liberal elites as well as the mainstream media. Graduate from community college and that makes you NORMAL like MOST AMERICANS! Of course you are the scorn of the snobs who think they are better than us all.

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer,
become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,
spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee,
spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is:
Local weather girl,
4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people,
20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive and a heartbeat away from the presidency should a 72 year old man (who has had cancer 4 times) die.

No. All of those things take leadership, he just lacks in EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP experience. Big difference. Big difference between a city councilman, state legislator, law professor and Senator versus someone who is the top executive in their areas of leadership: mayor and governor and you forgot to mention a CEO of a small business. Palin is at least as qualified as Obama if not more because of the EXECUTIVE experience she has. Obama has ZERO EXECUTIVE experience.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

I would say being a member of a so-called Christian church for 20 years that says "G-D D--N America!" or has guest ministers that curse in the pulpit, or espouses racist theology would at least cause folks to question your Christianity. Obama is to be applauded for his marriage and children. Doesn't mean he ought to be President.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

I don't think anyone is saying Mac is prestine example of Christianity. I think it says he is flawed like th rest of us. Besides if you voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996 and defended him throughout his presidency---WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??????????

If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

It is responsible to teach young people that it's okay to have sex ouotside of marriage, just as long as you don't get pregnant? How about teaching self control and discipline and morality and being responsible by encouraging marriage and hard work and family??????

If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

No. You are responsible when you TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS (i.e. if you gonna have sex, you might get pregnant and you ought to own up and have the baby).

If your wife is a Harvard law graduate who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.

No. Your family's values don't respresent America's not for the good works mentioned above, but for being the MOST LIBERAL SENATOR in the US SENATE. America's history has not embraced the radical agenda of the left.

If your husband is nicknamed "First Dude", no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

Yes. Because there a re a lot of Americans are just like Todd Palin. There are more non-college educated Americans than there are. He is a member of the United Steelworkers Union, works in a difficult occupation in the oil fields of the North Slope of Alaska, and although he may have once belonged to a radical right wing political group, do you really want to compare him, a man who is running for NOTHING and the roll out the laundry list of the dubious, weird, wacky liberal radical organizationsthat Mr. Obama is affiliated with???? I know you don't want to go there.

Nice try. But these arguments are weak, VERY weak.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

He will tax the rich
Bring down the deficit
Balance the budget
Bring economic prosperity
Save social security
Make college more affordable
Expand healthcare for all Americans
Strenghthen international institutions
Bring peace to the middle east
Lead us away from oil dependency

You actually believe this?