What was a "Gentile"? - Page 3

ManOfWord · #21 08-22-2008, 09:45 PM

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How about this! Paul said that Israelites who were under law were ISHMAEL compared to the children of promise who are ISAAC. That means gentiles converted to Christ are more Jewish than law-keeping Israelites!

On a technical level, yes, in God's eyes. But I think you know what I was referring to.

ManOfWord · #22 08-22-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

Where does the Bible say that the Law should still be kept?

So, which "laws" do you think shouldn't be kept? Remember, I have never advocated for returning to the observation of Judaism.

mfblume · #23 08-22-2008, 09:50 PM

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So, which "laws" do you think shouldn't be kept? Remember, I have never advocated for returning to the observation of Judaism.

MOW, what are your thoughts on how law-keeping was promoted in law to be kept by will power alone, as opposed to Paul's revelation that flesh is enmity to God's law and one can only be empowered by the Spirit to live righteously, and that without conscious purposeful "law"-keeping?

PS; Is that you by an Arby's sign, or were you really in Beijing?

ManOfWord · #24 08-22-2008, 09:59 PM

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MOW, what are your thoughts on how law-keeping was promoted in law to be kept by will power alone, as opposed to Paul's revelation that flesh is enmity to God's law and one can only be empowered by the Spirit to live righteously, and that without conscious purposeful "law"-keeping?

PS; Is that you by an Arby's sign, or were you really in Beijing?

Ahh....that was the weakness point of the law! It was kept by commitment alone, which is powerful in itself, but lacks the heart and the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.

If I so chose, I could keep the law now, but not out of obligation. I don't keep shabbat or the dietary laws. I pray the Shema once in a while and on occasion have worn tefillin and my tallit. Those are rare though. We do observe Passover though, but again not out of obligation. It is just a phenomenal feast chocked full of meaning!

Sherri thought it was an Arby's sign as well. It does look like it!

TK Burk · #25 08-22-2008, 10:26 PM

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So, which "laws" do you think shouldn't be kept? Remember, I have never advocated for returning to the observation of Judaism.

MOW, with all respect, I think you're the one who needs to answer that. You said:

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

In God's eyes, we are neither Jew nor Gentile but are one body in Christ. However, there is a marked distinction between a Jew and a Gentile. Technically, if you're a Jew, you keep the law. Gentiles do not keep the Jewish law and therefore are not really Jews.

To confuse things further, that makes us Jews & Gentiles but not really Jews!

Since Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law (its sacrifices, priesthood, temple, etc...), where exactly does the Bible say what you posted?

Aquila · #26 08-22-2008, 10:40 PM

Some are Israelites and don't know it.

TK Burk · #27 08-22-2008, 10:58 PM

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Some are Israelites and don't know it.

How does that happen?

ManOfWord · #28 08-22-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

MOW, with all respect, I think you're the one who needs to answer that. You said:

Since Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law (its sacrifices, priesthood, temple, etc...), where exactly does the Bible say what you posted?

I think you misunderstood what I said. As Christians, we are NOT Jews. By that I mean Law observing Jews like you see in Jerusalem. I will repeat, I have NEVER advocated a return to the keeping of the ceremonial laws of Judaism.

So, which "law" do you have a problem with, if any?

TK Burk · #29 08-22-2008, 11:28 PM

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I think you misunderstood what I said. As Christians, we are NOT Jews. By that I mean Law observing Jews like you see in Jerusalem. I will repeat, I have NEVER advocated a return to the keeping of the ceremonial laws of Judaism.

So, which "law" do you have a problem with, if any?

No, I understood what you meant. That’s what prompted my question.

So again, where does it say that anyone—Jew, Samaritan, or gentile—is to keep the Law today?

ManOfWord · #30 08-22-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

No, I understood what you meant. That’s what prompted my question.

So again, where does it say that anyone—Jew, Samaritan, or gentile—is to keep the Law today?

By "Law," what law or laws are you referring to? I am not trying to be difficult here. I am only asking for clarity.