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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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I seriously doubt that.
America's largest Oneness church (Apostolic Church of God, in Chicago) has over 20,000 members.
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I thought TD was Oneness too.
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08-03-2008, 05:29 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
You know what is sad is that TV keeps trying to make this Oneness or standards when you quoted the biggest "opponent" to JO were baptists. That just shows that he is not thinking objectively
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-03-2008, 05:42 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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One thing Joel did that I really admired was when they were building their new building (renovating it) he refused money from the church so they can spend it on the building and just lived off the proceeds from his books.
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Yes, that was very noble of him...of course his church bought the sufficient number (in the hundreds of thousands) of books so that it would make the NY Times Best Sellers list, which got him where he is today.
It is a funny thing, when his dad was alive he would not allow Joel to minister from the pulpit because of his watered down version of the Bible.
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08-03-2008, 05:46 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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Yes, that was very noble of him...of course his church bought the sufficient number (in the hundreds of thousands) of books so that it would make the NY Times Best Sellers list, which got him where he is today.
It is a funny thing, when his dad was alive he would not allow Joel to minister from the pulpit because of his watered down version of the Bible.
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Are you serious? I mean do you know this is true? Did the church (entity, not the members) purchase several books?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-03-2008, 05:51 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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I thought TD was Oneness too.
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From what I understand, he is what you might call "closet Oneness"... that is, he is supposedly Oneness, but doesn't really identify himself as such. I knew someone who's been a member of his church for years, and she was Trinitarian, strangely enough (even though her husband was one of Jakes's associate ministers!).
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tell the millionaires in his congregation he is naive. His spanish congregation is larger than the largest oneness church.
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Ok...go invite them here so I can tell them they are naive. LOL...someone go read my points on how we rate success. TV here is a perfect example to bring up numbers as though that some how signals God's stamp of approval on Joel...in fact it's the carnal man's stamp of approval. The world judges approval by numbers and wealth and have disdain for the poor. That is bible.
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Thank you!
1... There are millionaires in Scientology churches and Mormon churches too, so why should be be impressed by millionaires being in someone's church?
2... Who cares how big his church is? The Catholic Church has close to 1 billion members. Why should we be impressed if a church or denomination has large numbers?
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08-03-2008, 06:24 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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Are you serious? I mean do you know this is true? Did the church (entity, not the members) purchase several books?
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Yep, how do you think an unknown with his first book rose so quickly? But it is a fact, I believe the initial order was around 200,000. Now, understand, this is not uncommon. Many books get on the list this way and while I am sure the members bought copies also, the corporation bought the bulk.
In retrospect, it was a good move. It paid off, but to think he is noble because of it, I think not. Maybe just a good businessman.
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08-03-2008, 06:30 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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Yes, that was very noble of him...of course his church bought the sufficient number (in the hundreds of thousands) of books so that it would make the NY Times Best Sellers list, which got him where he is today.
It is a funny thing, when his dad was alive he would not allow Joel to minister from the pulpit because of his watered down version of the Bible.
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You need to do a little more research before spouting this stuff. I am not a big Joel fan but the truth of the matter is that before his fathers death Joel had absolutely no desire to minister from the pulpit.
He was always shy and desired to have a behind the scenes role in the ministry. He was heavily involved in the television production part of the ministry and other behind the scenes acitivites.
There may be plenty to criticize Joel and his wife about but your accusation is just plain hooey.
I would be also interested in you substantiating your claim that his local church bought hundreds of thousands of copies of his book to pump it up the bestsellers list.
I guess the bazillion of people that watch his telecast had no interest in buying it?
Your post sounds like the typical sour grapes rumors passed on by people wanting to diss a person or ministry.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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08-03-2008, 06:32 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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From what I understand, he is what you might call "closet Oneness"... that is, he is supposedly Oneness, but doesn't really identify himself as such. I knew someone who's been a member of his church for years, and she was Trinitarian, strangely enough (even though her husband was one of Jakes's associate ministers!).
Thank you!
1... There are millionaires in Scientology churches and Mormon churches too, so why should be be impressed by millionaires being in someone's church?
2... Who cares how big his church is? The Catholic Church has close to 1 billion members. Why should we be impressed if a church or denomination has large numbers?
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McD used to boast about how many it served
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-03-2008, 06:56 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
A ministers/ministries are out of balance when they only taut the Love of the Lord. Without the contrast of what the Lord hates, you can not truly see the depth of His love.
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08-03-2008, 07:36 PM
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Re: Interesting Article on Joel Osteen
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You need to do a little more research before spouting this stuff. I am not a big Joel fan but the truth of the matter is that before his fathers death Joel had absolutely no desire to minister from the pulpit.
He was always shy and desired to have a behind the scenes role in the ministry. He was heavily involved in the television production part of the ministry and other behind the scenes acitivites.
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While you are correct that he was shy and behind the scene there was reason he was behind the scenes besides the shyness, my information is accurate.
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I would be also interested in you substantiating your claim that his local church bought hundreds of thousands of copies of his book to pump it up the bestsellers list.
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Do the research you'll find out.
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I guess the bazillion of people that watch his telecast had no interest in buying it?
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His book is what propelled him to his current status. Before the book his audience was no where near where it is now.
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Your post sounds like the typical sour grapes rumors passed on by people wanting to diss a person or ministry.
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Far from sour grapes, in fact I believe I said he was a good businessman.
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