Argument why Jesus had facial hair? - Page 3

berkeley · #21 07-31-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

I have heard it before from a former pastor who allowed no men to have facial hair.

Do you think he would change his mind if confronted with the scripture that I posted?

freeatlast · #22 07-31-2008, 07:57 PM

He's dead now ...so I doubt it.

but if he was alive he wouldn't change his mind for nuthin. He was one stuborn ol boy, you could not talk to him about things like men shaving.

It was his way ot the hi way.

Cindy · #23 07-31-2008, 07:58 PM

Berk, is this argument implying Jesus shaved before he was taken before Pilate and Herod? And the only reason he had a beard when he died is because he did not have the means to shave?

TK Burk · #24 07-31-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Murphy

Whatever they had, I'm sure it was a painful process that was not done on a daily basis by the average male...

Egyptians were shaving long before Jesus’ time. Ever see their pyramids? If they can erect such edifices without modern machinery, not having a Gillette razor or a septic stick was no problem for them! And I am sure it was mostly painless....

But regardless of the history of shaving, I’m very thankful I don’t have to resort to the ‘ancient’ methods.

As far as the subject of this thread; that argument is one of the silliest things I've ever heard!

TRFrance · #25 07-31-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

I'm asking if you heard that argument? I don't need any other commentary until someone affirms.

Never heard that before.

But if that's their argument, maybe they can tell us why Aaron had a beard too (Psalm 133:2)...
as did David (1 Sam 21:13),
and his servants (2 Sam 10:4),
and Amasa (2 Sam 20:9),
Ezra (Ezra 9:3),
Ezekiel (Ez 5:1),
...and many other Israelite men in general (Lev 13:29, 14:9, 19:27 etc.)

Have they come up with some concocted explanations for those too?

freeatlast · #26 07-31-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Never heard that before.

But if that's their argument, maybe they can tell us why Aaron had a beard too (Psalm 133:2)...
as did David (1 Sam 21:13),
and his servants (2 Sam 10:4),
and Amasa (2 Sam 20:9),
Ezra (Ezra 9:3),
Ezekiel (Ez 5:1),
...and many other Israelite men in general (Lev 13:29, 14:9, 19:27 etc.)

Have they come up with some concocted explanations for those too?

Taking that all into consideration TRF....how can any preacher feel right about commanding that no men in his church grow any beard or mustache.

AbundantGrace · #27 07-31-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

Has anyone heard that argument? I have heard it (several yrs ago). Anyone else?

YES, I've heard it and it's completely and utterly ridiculous!

TRFrance · #28 07-31-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Taking that all into consideration TRF....how can any preacher feel right about commanding that no men in his church grow any beard or mustache.

2 primary arguments I've heard:

A....Its about order, and neatness, and to them being clean shave looks neater and more proper than a man having a beard. According to this line of reasoning, that's why in corporate America many Fortune 500 companies require the men to be clean shaven.
(Not sure how true that really is, but I fail to see why that would be relevant to the body of Christ anyway. Many Fortune 500 companies also recognize homosexual partnerships among their employees too, but you don't see the church emulating that!)

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B... Jesus said "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven", so God gave the Apostles, and local church leaders, the right to set whatever rules they wish to, and God will honor it based on that verse in Matt 16:19.
(Needless to say, I consider this to be a wretched twisting of scripture to justify a man-made, and unnecessarily intrusive, teaching and practice. In my view, the whole "no beards" thing is mainly pastoral overreach, and is symptomatic of an unfortunate desire too many Apostolic pastors have to exert [too much] control over the lives of their saints.)

Praxeas · #29 07-31-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

2 primary arguments I've heard:

A....Its about order, and neatness, and to them being clean shave looks neater and more proper than a man having a beard. According to this line of reasoning, that's why in corporate America many Fortune 500 companies require the men to be clean shaven.
(Not sure how true that really is, but I fail to see why that would be relevant to the body of Christ anyway. Many Fortune 500 companies also recognize homosexual partnerships among their employees too, but you don't see the church emulating that!)

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This is true. In fact I recall discussing Pentecostal issues with someone that was very anti-Pentecostal at paltalk by the nick of promoe. He said as a salesman he was taught to have clean shaven face because you would appear more trusting. Im ok with that as long as it is not mandatory and a heaven or hell issue.

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B... Jesus said "whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven", so God gave the Apostles, and local church leaders, the right to set whatever rules they wish to, and God will honor it based on that verse in Matt 16:19.
(Needless to say, I consider this to be a wretched twisting of scripture to justify a man-made, and unnecessarily intrusive, teaching and practice. In my view, the whole "no beards" thing is mainly pastoral overreach, and is symptomatic of an unfortunate desire too many Apostolic pastors have to exert [too much] control over the lives of their saints.

It is a twisting of scriptures. Jesus was not teaching pastors can come up with any loony doctrine they want and God will back it up

Sam · #30 07-31-2008, 09:12 PM

I can't think of any verse from the KJV that definitely says that Jesus had a beard. A verse that has been used is Isaiah 50:6 which says:
I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting. (KJV)
or
I gave My back to those who struck Me,
And My cheeks to those who plucked out the beard;
I did not hide My face from shame and spitting. (NKJV)

That verse is usually considered to be a prophecy of Jesus and the way He suffered.

I have not personally heard any preacher say so, but I have heard that some preachers have preached that Jesus did not have a beard, but since He had been arrested after having dinner with His disciples He had not shaved for a few hours and what was referred to there was the Roman soldiers using tweezers to pull out some beard stubble that was several hours old.

My ALJC pastor said in his Sunday night sermon "The Bible says that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." When I left after the service I did not come back again except as a visitor a couple of times years later.