and here we go. I am not going to aruge these with you. I honestly dont care what you believe about these things.
the point is, Marks question is did you know they were out there, I answered with yep and they are here too.
thanks for proving my point.
Ferd, if I told you I thought following the dietary laws in the Bible as a good guideline for healthy eating is a good idea, would that make me a Hebrew Apostolic?
"BECAUSE OF THE ANGELS"
The second major reason for the headcovering, "because of the angels," is very closely related to the first, Yahweh's order of authority. The two reasons are tied together in 1 Cor.11:!0: "For this reason [i.e., because of the rôles of man and woman discussed in the verses right before this verse] the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head because of the angels." In other words, the headcovering shows that the woman is submitted to man's authority, and it is important that this token or badge of authority be seen by the angels, both the unfallen angels [the "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation" (Heb.1:14)] and the fallen angels [those that are "chained in darkness" (2 Peter 2:4; Jude 6) as well as those presently operating as demonic powers].
Those who do not take the Scriptures seriously may be amused by the idea that the presence or absence of a piece of cloth can affect angelic and demonic activity. After all, if angels and demons are real, do they really need to see a headcovering to tell them the woman is submitted to authority? Don't they already know such things? Even unfallen angels are not omniscient; there are many things they do not know.
The Bible tells us that the good news of the Messiah contains "things into which angels long to look"; (1 Pet.l:12). "The secret things belong unto Yahweh our Elohim," Moses tells us, "but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law" (Deut.29:29).
As it is with man, so it is with angels. There are "secret things"; which Yahweh has not revealed to angels, and other things which He has revealed to them. Yahweh has decided that He will show the angels and demons His authority, and the woman's submission to His authority, by means of a visible, tangible covering on the woman's head.
Quote:
To the natural mind, a piece of cloth on a woman's head may seem to be a weak, foolish instrument for imparting divine revelation of Yahweh's authority to angelic and demonic beings. But the Bible tells us that Yahweh has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and "Yahweh has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things that are mighty" (1 Cor.1:27).
Readers of the New Testament may recall that when "handkerchiefs or aprons" which Paul had touched were brought to the sick and the possessed, "the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out" (Ac.19:12). This passage confirms the fact that a piece of cloth can, indeed, be used as an instrument to display Yahweh's authority to evil spirits, and affect what happens in the spiritual realm, which in turn affects what takes place in the physical realm. We do not need to understand all the mechanics of exactly how and why Yahweh's ways work, in order to walk in them, just as we do not need to understand all the mechanics of how and why a car works in order to drive it. If the car works, and we drive it according to the rules of the road, we can expect to reach our destination. Yahweh's ways work, and if we walk in them, we can expect results.
The woman who covers her head in obedience to Yahweh should expect to receive more angelic ministry than she would receive without a headcovering. As she prays, prophesies, and testifies, she should expect angels to move and act in conjunction with her prayers, prophesying, and testifying. The woman who does not cover her head deprives herself of blessings that could be hers through the ministry of angels.
Quote:
A PERSONAL TESTIMONY
In 1987 my wife suffered for several months from a chronic illness that doctors could not cure or diagnose. The main symptom was extreme difficulty breathing, accompanied by rasping deep inside the chest. There were also occasional flu-like symptoms, such as severe vomiting. She was given different kinds of medication, but none helped. She was tested for tuberculosis and other diseases, but no explanation could be found. Thinking that perhaps she was allergic to something in the house, we moved. The symptoms still continued. Since the doctors could not cure or diagnose the illness, we simply continued to pray for healing as we had been doing all along.
For some reason, it occurred to me that our unanswered prayer might somehow be connected to the fact that my wife did not wear a headcovering. I cannot recall how or why this thought occurred to me, but it made a strong enough impression on me that I said something to my wife about it. I suggested that perhaps we would have better results if she covered her head when we prayed together each day. My wife's response was polite but typical: "How could that make any difference?" The idea that wearing a piece of cloth on her head might bring about healing seemed foolish to her. I gently reminded her that dipping seven times in the Jordan River to heal leprosy seemed like a foolish idea to Naaman, but when he did it, he was healed (2 Ki.5). I mentioned other Biblical examples of seemingly foolish actions that brought about the blessings of Yahweh. I explained that things which we do in the physical realm affect what happens in the unseen spiritual realm in ways we cannot understand.
"I can't guarantee that it will make any difference," I said. "But it certainly isn't going to hurt anything. What have we got to lose?" In submission to my authority, she began wearing a scarf each day as we prayed together. Within a matter of days, we noticed that the rasping sound had disappeared, and her breathing returned to normal again. As of this writing (1995), the illness has never returned, and I do not expect it to. This sickness, which physicians could neither diagnose nor treat, left of its own accord when my wife covered her head. Is this mere coincidence, or did the headcovering really make a difference? Of course there is no way to prove whether or not wearing a piece of cloth was what made the disease depart. But we know that when pieces of cloth were brought from Paul, "diseases departed" and "evil spirits went out" (Ac.19:12). There is no reason to believe that Yahweh cannot bring similar results from a cloth on a woman's head when it is worn in faith and in submission to Yahweh's delegated authority.
Ferd, if I told you I thought following the dietary laws in the Bible as a good guideline for healthy eating is a good idea, would that make me a Hebrew Apostolic?
Apostolic or Apostate???
__________________
"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow." ~Aesop
Ferd, if I told you I thought following the dietary laws in the Bible as a good guideline for healthy eating is a good idea, would that make me a Hebrew Apostolic?
No. if you told me you observed the dietary laws because you were convinced that it was required, then I would say yes.
if you said you felt to do so as a christian, I would say cool. if you told me i was going to hell for not doing so, I would tell you good luck with that.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
No. if you told me you observed the dietary laws because you were convinced that it was required, then I would say yes.
if you said you felt to do so as a christian, I would say cool. if you told me i was going to hell for not doing so, I would tell you good luck with that.
I am not saying that I follow them, but I do think it would be a good idea to use them as a guideline for what we eat. I know that lots has changed since then and pork is much better for us than it used to be, so I don't strict adherence is necessary. Still, it would make sense for us to familiarize ourselves with them.
I am not saying that I follow them, but I do think it would be a good idea to use them as a guideline for what we eat. I know that lots has changed since then and pork is much better for us than it used to be, so I don't strict adherence is necessary. Still, it would make sense for us to familiarize ourselves with them.
Rico, i have no more problem with that than I do someone following a grapefruit diet.
if it works for you great. all i am saying is, lets not add the law to our grace and thus become subect to every letter! (thats what paul said by the way)
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I have a friend I grew up with in the church- haven't seen or
talked to this person in 8 years. They married and moved to
Detriot, MI and we lost contact. This person is here for a family reunion
so we met after church and talked til 4AM.
Anyhow, i was shocked to hear when they told me they are
now a "hebrew Apostolic"! i was like WHAAT. They don't use
the word "Jewish" (for some reason), they observe the hebrew
feast & holidays, adhere to the dietary laws, observe the passover
and the sabbath ( church is on Saturday!) Yet still believe in Acts 238!!!
Has anyone heard of this??? They claim it is growing rapidly???
what do you think?
Did he mention the "missing 'J'?"
There's a Yawhist Oneness movement that's been around for years. They make it a point to baptize in the name of "Yehshua" as opposed to "Jesus" because there was no "J" in in the ancient Mediterranean world. They insist that we do Acts 2:38 "wrong" when we say "Jesus."
And they're right about the "J" in the ancient alphabet. There's a group out here who take it to the point of dressing like the 1st century apostles in beards and robes. Looks pretty nice on a hot day, but man! I need my pants when it's 20 below!
(Just funnin' if you're lurkin' BP)
Linear Mode
