Is Homosexuality demon possesion or learned behavi - Page 3

revrandy · #21 07-13-2008, 12:09 AM

I think it is both... concerning a learned behavior and a spiritual matter...

Aquila · #22 07-13-2008, 12:09 AM

I believe that the issue is complex. I believe that it may be psychological. Maybe the person never had an appropriate father or mother figure and they're looking for the love they never received. Maybe it's part of our flesh's fallen nature (biological). Maybe it's spiritual. I do believe demons plague gay people: depression, fear, insecurity, etc....all these things leading them down the path seeking more and more gratification and acceptance...in the end it brings death.

Pray for those who struggle with this. Pray pray pray.

rrford · #23 07-13-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico

I don't know about adulterers as a whole, but I have known some men who simply could not be faithful no matter how hard they try. I've heard that scientists have found a difference in the brain of homosexuals and those of heterosexuals. I think eventually they will find whatever it is that causes homosexuality. There may be a difference in the brains of people engaged in other types of deviant sexual behaviour.

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

Aquila · #24 07-13-2008, 12:11 AM

Also...I'm not so sure if it's "running rampant"...it's always been here. It's just more in the open now so it looks like it's breaking out everywhere. It was always there behind closed doors.

One thing about it being in the open...we can speak and minister to the need. If it's hidden, we can't shine light, prayer, love, and compassion upon the struggling sinner.

Aquila · #25 07-13-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

That's only true if you believe God made us the way we are.

Man is a fallen creature. I believe sin has twisted us on every level: spiritual, psychological, and yes...even biological down to our very genetics. It's like any other genetic disorder...did God make people that way? No...God made man whole without sickness or genetic disorders. But man fell, now we are subject to death, sickness, and genetic disorders that cause our flesh to war against our spirits. That's why so many gays kill themselves....they don't want to be gay. Their spirits are at war with something in their flesh that they cannot control. They are captives, bound by sin, enslaved by their sinful flesh (biology).

Yes, I believe it may be biological or genetic...but no, I don't believe God made them that way. It's a symptom of the all pervading effects of sin on our nature, here for some...the biological nature.

I don't believe that all who call themselves "gay" chose it. I think for some it's their "flesh" (biology). And their only hope for total deliverance is a miraculous healing. Demanding they repent is only part of the problem. They need touched by the master, changed, made a new creature...all the way down to the DNA.

Death is biological, God didn't create men to die...but it is part of our physical nature because of sin in our members, it is a biological effect of sin on the whole race. There is no good thing in this flesh.

We demand they change themselves....they need a healer. A deliverer...someone who came to set the captive FREE. They need to repent of sin committed and pay for healing. And we need to surround them praying for that miraculous touch. Then and only then will they be really free.

Rico · #26 07-13-2008, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

Brother, I hear what you're saying. However, I believe science is eventually going to find whatever it is that causes homosexuality. Once that happens, Christians are going to be hard pressed to continue with the current line of thinking that it's just a choice someone makes. I believe for some homosexuals it can indeed be a choice they've made. There are others, however, who don't choose to be attracted to the same sex. There has to be some other reason than it's a choice they make. There are plenty of deviant behaviours people can be born with, other than homosexuality. Some believe that some murderers are pre-disposed to being killers because something in their brains doesn't function in the same way a normal brain functions. None of this changes the fact that murder is sin, or that homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of God. They're simple products of the Fall of man.

Rico · #27 07-13-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

That's only true if you believe God made us the way we are.

Man is a fallen creature. I believe sin has twisted us on every level: spiritual, psychological, and yes...even biological down to our very genetics. It's like any other genetic disorder...did God make people that way? No...God made man whole without sickness or genetic disorders. But man fell, now we are subject to death, sickness, and genetic disorders that cause our flesh to war against our spirits. That's why so many gays kill themselves....they don't want to be gay. Their spirits are at war with something in their flesh that they cannot control.

Yes, I believe it may be biological or genetic...but no, I don't believe God made them that way. It's the all pervading effects of sin on our nature, here for some...the biological nature.

I don't believe that all who call themselves "gay" chose it. I think for some it's their "flesh" (biology). And their only hope for total deliverance is a miraculous healing. Demanding they repent is only part of the problem. They need touched by the master, changed, made a new creature...all the way down to the DNA.

Aquila, I agree with this line of reasoning. It makes perfect sense. It explains why certain diseases are genetic too. Does God create someone to be a diabetic, or have heart problems, or end up with breast cancer? I don't think so, but sin has infected man to his very core, even his DNA.

rrford · #28 07-13-2008, 12:23 AM

I will bow out of this converstaion with this post:

Very few things in scripture are listed as an abomination. While the sinful nature is inherent in us, with all of the resultant behaviours and effects, not one of those rises to the level of an abomination. Surely we understand a difference between what would call the normal results of a sinful nature and the abherrent results of giving oneself over to sin? The one comes without choice; the second is totally predicated upon choice.

Rico · #29 07-13-2008, 12:25 AM

Why bow out? It's just getting started. See how ya are?!?!?! Hmph!

live4him · #30 07-13-2008, 12:26 AM

well i do beleive that it is hard to think that it is genetic, it sounds as though it could be a chemical imbalance to. but i think some people are gay because they were either molested or raped and they cannot trust the opposite sex, but i see alot of woman who turn gay because they were molested and they do not trust men at all, they become scared of them, but yet they dress like men, and the men who are molested when they were younger become addicted to that type of lifestyle-----why? i do not know it is strange