The Dress Code Wars

[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

God Bless Your Heart

Rhoni....

I Think the humore was lost on our dear brother

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

Oh I'm sure there are some apostolic men that believe such dress would be best for present day apostolic women as well.

I mean really...

Lord forbid that men should have to actually control their own lustful tendencies.

i agree with you LR, men need to keep there eyes where they belong, women and men need to be modest, the dress code stuff is about control, not conformity, dt

[DanielR]

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

Hello DanielR, Of course I disagree, with your modesty does not matter philosophy. And we probably won't get aywhere discussing it. Your Oneness Apostolic?

Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

DanielR. Do you have a Man of God (Pastor) in your life?

Is this line of questioning neccassary for a civilized discussion about historical cultural practices of the time that the Bible was written? How will these answers help us understand that the meaning for words have been changed and/or added to what was originally defined when those words were pened?

If you think I'm wrong, fine, do some research and prove me wrong. I'm always willing to learn more, I don't nor will I ever assume that I know it all. In the mean time why is it that you keep trying to change the subject? If you have no desire of US learning together and discussing it, that's fine as well. But questioning my personal faith and fellowship with other believers and/or godly leaders in my life is getting you nowhere.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Eve started the oppression of women in my opinion. And it will not stop until Jesus returns.

Well I'll tell you this much...

If I ever get to go see your family in AK and do some hunting and fishing there, I won't be "oppressed" into freezing my legs off!

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by DanielR

Is this line of questioning neccassary for a civilized discussion about historical cultural practices of the time that the Bible was written? How will these answers help us understand that the meaning for words have been changed and/or added to what was originally defined when those words were pened?

If you think I'm wrong, fine, do some research and prove me wrong. I'm always willing to learn more, I don't nor will I ever assume that I know it all. In the mean time why is it that you keep trying to change the subject? If you have no desire of US learning together and discussing it, that's fine as well. But questioning my personal faith and fellowship with other believers and/or godly leaders in my life is getting you nowhere.

DanielR. Before I consider if someone is able to help me spiritually, I need to know they can follow a Man of God (Pastor). Having a Pastor, is just the basics of what being Apostolic is to me.

[DanielR]

I haven't had the oppertunity to meet my new pastor yet since my old pastor resigned and left the area. Being as I'm a truck driver by trade I'm not able to attend my home church on a regular basis. However, I do and have always kept in close contact with my past pastors while I was under them, as well as Minsters and other Men of God (having the title of pastor doesn't neccassarily mean that your a Man of God) In addition to this I have also been involved with a couple different parachurch ministries in an advisor roll (although I have had to step up to take a more leading roll to fill in for a need at the request of leadership of the org.) I have also had one pastor teach a "School of Prophets" class for those tha wanted to dig deeper into the things of God. I regret that I wasn't able to continue those classes longer do to me having to relocate. I had mentioned this class to my last pastor in hopes that he would start one up where I attend now, so now I will mention it to my new pastor when I get the oppertunity to meet him next weekend.

Although having a pastor is important, it does little to prove anything though. As I mentioned in the first post that made here on AFF, I came into Oneness truth searching for proves of the Trinity via personal Bible study while in a Trinitarian teaching church. I put alot more weight on personal Biblical research, than I do for the ability of a person to follow the leadership of a pastor. The reason why I do is because:

Acts 17:10-12 (King James Version)

10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

2 Timothy 2:14-16 (King James Version)

14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Tyk

Only the bottom left will see the kingdom of heaven.



Of course I'm being sarcastic... I don't really think any "ultra-cons" are that silly!

I'd be surprised if the "bottom left" could see anything at all.

And I disagree about the "ultra-cons." First of all, calling themselves "conservative" is strange when most of their teachings and practices are only about 70 years old - at the most. They are really introducing radical changes - that's something that is generally far to the left of even "Liberals."

Get out the family albums. Show me anyone with a "holiness" tradition in their family that goes back to before WW2. And by "holiness," I mean in the scary quote marks - uncut hair on women, no slacks on women, no facial hair on either sex and no jewelry of any kind.

Add to that the teaching that only "three steppers" are going to heaven.

Basically - can anyone show me a lineage that carries the UPC's current "traditional" message from pre-WW2 up through today? Maybe a couple people could find something - and I'd be interested in seeing it. But it would certainly be the minority viewpoint until about the time of the AMF split.