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07-05-2008, 04:54 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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Sorry most here are able to compartmentalize DM ... and separate the two.
Did Paul and the first century church personally attack the doctrine of ministers who were Judaizers and Gnostics ... you betcha ...
They did not tolerate it as "creative" differences ...
These issues were so important that entire councils met to address them ( Acts 15)... entire passages and epistles address false doctrine of people who did not fail in their religious zeal or practiced miracles but rather taught doctrine contrary to the Word of God.
These were not pagans ... or dreaded "Trinitarians"
their message of Jesus Christ plus something else ... did not sit well w/ the Church.
Paul also addressed this question in his Epistle to Galatians in which he condemned those who insisted that the proselyte ritual had to be followed for justification as "false believers" ( Galatians 2:4)
They thought the doctrine of the Judaizers and Gnostics were inconsistent, brought light by addressing their errors and even suggested disfellowshipping them ...
I find it interesting that some who have isolated themselves from the rest of mainstream of Christianity for issues I believe of much less import ... will turn a blind eye because of who the messenger may be .... |
I don't see where teaching a woman should have uncut hair and that God's presence could be manifest in their life is teaching false doctrine or that it is akin to judaizers and gnostics that were forsaking the blood of Christ.
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07-05-2008, 04:54 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
Is it possible for anyone to just bow out gracefully and let it go?
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07-05-2008, 04:55 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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Attacking the man's word and saying it is heresy is the same as a personal attack when the scripture is clearly open to interpretation.
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Wow - wished that worked both ways!!
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07-05-2008, 04:55 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
Stop, please just stop.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-05-2008, 04:57 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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I'm not concerned about my thread about you being closed. The real issue is why your attack on LS was allowed to go on for so long. Probably nothing to do with a liberal admin that didn't mind a conservative message being harpooned.
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First off. If you have a problem with an Admin decision take it in PM to the Admin and not here.
Second, it was temporarily deleted for review and may be re-opened because some felt this was a personal matter that should be resolved in PM
Third, if you see any name calling or slanderous personal attacks on LS feel free to USE THE POST REPORT TOOL
As you can see...or maybe you can't, we've closed one thread. We've handed out some warnings and infractions. So the complaint that the Admin didn't mind something because they are liberals is unwarranted.
Lastly, the Admin are not on 24/7 to monitor you guys. Nor do the Admin read through the thousands of thousands of posts which is one reason for you people using the Post reporting tool as we have said over and over and over. Short of a thread closure or delete, you will probably not see the infractions or warnings handed out either so please don't assume nothing is done.
There is nothing wrong with addressing what any minister has said or taught including Lee Stoneking, if those teachings are thought to be false.
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07-05-2008, 04:59 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
I don't see where teaching a woman should have uncut hair and that God's presence could be manifest in their life is teaching false doctrine or that it is akin to judaizers and gnostics that were forsaking the blood of Christ.
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If replacing the power and authority of the Spirit of God and His name ...
the infallibility of the Word of God and idolatry are no longer core doctrine and as important as His shed blood ...
then you may have a point.
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07-05-2008, 05:00 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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Originally Posted by Admin
First off. If you have a problem with an Admin decision take it in PM to the Admin and not here.
Second, it was temporarily deleted for review and may be re-opened because some felt this was a personal matter that should be resolved in PM
Third, if you see any name calling or slanderous personal attacks on LS feel free to USE THE POST REPORT TOOL
As you can see...or maybe you can't, we've closed one thread. We've handed out some warnings and infractions. So the complaint that the Admin didn't mind something because they are liberals is unwarranted.
Lastly, the Admin are not on 24/7 to monitor you guys. Nor do the Admin read through the thousands of thousands of posts which is one reason for you people using the Post reporting tool as we have said over and over and over. Short of a thread closure or delete, you will probably not see the infractions or warnings handed out either so please don't assume nothing is done.
There is nothing wrong with addressing what any minister has said or taught including Lee Stoneking, if those teachings are thought to be false.
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07-05-2008, 05:01 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
I don't see where teaching a woman should have uncut hair and that God's presence could be manifest in their life is teaching false doctrine or that it is akin to judaizers and gnostics that were forsaking the blood of Christ.
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Can you show us where the bible teaches uncut hair manifests the power of God?
It's usually by faith In Christ, but if some are saying it's also by a woman having long uncut hair this is counter to the idea of faith in Christ
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07-05-2008, 05:02 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Can you show us where the bible teaches uncut hair manifests the power of God?
It's usually by faith In Christ, but if some are saying it's also by a woman having long uncut hair this is counter to the idea of faith in Christ
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More core doctrine.
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07-05-2008, 05:05 PM
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Re: to DM concerning Daniel
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Can you show us where the bible teaches uncut hair manifests the power of God?
It's usually by faith In Christ, but if some are saying it's also by a woman having long uncut hair this is counter to the idea of faith in Christ
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Samson's power wasn't in his hair, it was in the anointing of God that manifested itself in his great strength.
Cut the hair & you lose an anointing.
A women's uncut hair is a symbol of her consecration to God & her submission,
the power isn't in the hair.
The power is in the anointing!
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