Do you tithe on loans?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Did Cain and Abel tithe?

No. Firstfruits are not tithes.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No. Firstfruits are not tithes.

Hey Blume...guess what...we agree on something...

You are finally right first fruits and tithes are different. Now I am sure if we got into the explanation we would disagree, but on the surface we are on the same page.

[hushergirl]

Thanks to all of you who rplied and to those who can go without doing a loan great sometimes we who live o nfixed incomes and have a lot of health issues and maybe we are not as great as others who have no bills I saY great for you but I am not as good with money as need be and do not have a lot of it so was just asking about loans and tithing not needing a comment on maki bg the loan.

[Jeffrey]

Sometimes we start with the wrong question

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Sometimes we start with the wrong question

Or maybe we have been taught the wrong meaning from the beginning and therefor we have all these questions.

If we have to ask do we tithe on this or that then we don't understand what tithe is and what God intended it to be used for. Our giving to God has always been a part of the worship of his children. But worship must be free will, never an obligation. Tithing up till the Law was always part of worship something done in thanksgiving for what God had done for said person.

This is why the keeping of the law has been fulfilled. As God never intended the Jew to keep the law as religiously as it became. The law was a set of guidlines to base life off of not to be a ridgid list of rules as the pharise followed.

Further the use of the tithe as seen in our society in not how God intended things to be either. I was never one mans (pastors) increase. It was to provide for the substanace of all the workings of the kingdom of God. Which the tabernacle in the wildreness represented. All one has to do is to read the book to see this.

Gloryseeker
By this statement it would be easy to assume that there are times that you are not able. When you are "not able" would be times when the up keep of your carnal life exceeds the ability to fund or honor God's Word. I think in biblical terms this is the system of mammon:

I would be very carefull of those types of words of judgment they will come back to haunt you.

It was never whether we understand and follow the principles set forth in the law, it was the keeping of the law as the Pharise did that was the issue Jesus said he came to fulfill the law meaning by his sacrifice we should never go back to following a list of rules as we would have his spirit with us again as was in the garden. And we would walk by the spirit. When we fall back on the written list and dogmas we form a law of our own which become just as bad as the law keeping of the Jew. We try to fall back on our own works of righteousness and not Gods.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Since you pay loans back would you be required to tithe on them?

No, one isn't required to tithe on loans. In fact, no one is "required" to tithe.

[seguidordejesus]

No tithe on loans. Hope that settles it.

[missourimary]

I joked about this with on a board the other day (may have been this one, can't remember). My TIC thought is that if you want to take tithing to the letter of the law (as it stands to many today, not Biblically speaking), if you consider the $300,000 house yours, and you are gaining the benefit from it, then how is it not as much (or more) a part of your increase as the paycheck of a man who is trying to support his family on $20,000/yr and just barely making ends meet, or the person on food stamps who is giving food to the church to pay a tithe on their government assistance? How is a $300,000 house less of an increase than subsistence?

If a person takes out loans and then files bankruptcy and has some debts erased, do they pay tithes on the amounts erased, if they used their loans to pay for things I use my income to pay for? for instance:
Mary:
$300/wk pay
-$30 tithes
-$15 offering
-$50 food
-$205 rent


Bro Debtor:
-$50 food on credit card
$300/wk pay
-$30 tithes
-$15 offering
-$255 rent

Mary spent $300, Bro D spent $350. He benefited from all $350, yet only paid $30 in tithes. If Bro D pays that money back later, did he really tithe on the first fruits since he began benefiting from the amount when he took out the loan? If Bro D defaults and doesn't pay the money back at all, he hasn't tithed on all his increase.

(I'm not preaching this method, but I've seen people manipulate this loophole to advantage.)

[Sam]

Tithing in the Scriptures was only on animals and crops and that was to feed the priests, Levites, and the poor. Those who were craftsmen or provided services or were fishermen and received money for their goods or services did not tithe. So, I guess if you borrow animals or crops we could discuss whether you tithe on them.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Sam

Tithing in the Scriptures was only on animals and crops and that was to feed the priests, Levites, and the poor. Those who were craftsmen or provided services or were fishermen and received money for their goods or services did not tithe. So, I guess if you borrow animals or crops we could discuss whether you tithe on them.

What is increase? Everything a person makes, everything after taxes, everything after taxes and benefits are taken out, everything after basic provisions (food, shelter) are made...? I was told to tithe on monetary gifts, but not on actual gifts, in a box tied with a bow style. I was encouraged to tithe on the gross, but others were allowed to tithe on net-after they paid health insurance and cafeteria plans! The argument was that wasn't increase for them, it was money they were required to spend.