I am very aware of it now that I understand what you were saying. I've never spent much time in a trinitarian church so I don't have a lot to go on.
I do think however that the trnitarian preaching you describe probably does not go on much in the church that I'm talking about.
I agree with you here. I listen to A LOT of preaching most of which is considered a trinitarian. I can not remember very many time where the God head or other doctrines were pushed. On the rare occasion I have heard some it is not a big divisive point.
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I am very aware of it now that I understand what you were saying. I've never spent much time in a trinitarian church so I don't have a lot to go on.
I do think however that the trnitarian preaching you describe probably does not go on much in the church that I'm talking about.
My wife, who doesn't know very much Spanish, went to my family's church to visit, not too long after she got the Holy Ghost. This church is trinitarian. It turned out that, even though she didn't know Spanish, every time the preacher said, "En el nombre del Padre, Hijo, y Espiritu Santo" she would feel a check in her spirit. As best as she could, she asked me what he meant by what she kept hearing him say. After I explained what he was saying to her she said that every time he said it she felt like something wasn't right with it, but she couldn't put her finger on it. This was when I realized that trinity doctrine is something that is constantly being reinforced in trinity churches. It's also what made me realize that oneness doctrine is constantly being reinforced in our churches as well.
My wife, who doesn't know very much Spanish, went to my family's church to visit, not too long after she got the Holy Ghost. This church is trinitarian. It turned out that, even though she didn't know Spanish, every time the preacher said, "En el nombre del Padre, Hijo, y Espiritu Santo" she would feel a check in her spirit. As best as she could, she asked me what he meant by what she kept hearing him say. After I explained what he was saying to her she said that every time he said it she felt like something wasn't right with it, but she couldn't put her finger on it. This was when I realized that trinity doctrine is something that is constantly being reinforced in trinity churches. It's also what made me realize that oneness doctrine is constantly being reinforced in our churches as well.
Jesus said that too.
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Has your preacher ever referred to Jesus as God in his preaching? If so, that would be an example of what I am talking about. How about when referring to some red letter text out of the NT and saying something to the effect of, "God said such and thus". Every time he baptizes someone in Jesus name he is reinforcing oneness doctrine as well. You hear it a lot, you may not be very much aware of it though.
I've seen trinitarian preachers actually correct themselves in the pulpit when they meant to say God and said Jesus instead, and vice versa. That's an example of reinforcing trinity doctrine. They also pray an awful lot in the titles (something you don't see very often at all in oneness churches). Every time they baptize someone using the titles they reinforce trinitarian doctrine.
Rico, We mixed it up the other day on politics---but I have got to completly agree with you here. You can pin-point a Trinitarian preacher in just a few minutes. My biggest irk is hearing a typical Baptist (my wife's family) start talking about Jn. 3:16, "God sent his son Jesus" and God loved us so much that he sent "Jesus." A oneness preacher may say similar statements--they are biblical--but when I preach I always say something like, "God loved the world so much that he clothed himself in flesh and came as the Son." You get the idea.
I could not attend a Trinity church. But--I am not excited about a lot of oneness churches either. However, I am blessed to have a good one 2 miles from my home. But it seems like a lot of oneness/Apostolics fight over the most petty things that Trinity people just don't get that excited about. They just don't have the same silly DRAMA that goes on in OP churches.
You know there are a couple on this forum that go to Christ Church don't you?
yep, I have seen their picture and did not recognize them, I asked my husband and he didn't either. I guess we just never interacted with them while there. Christ Church is so big that you can go months and sometimes a year or two without seeing people that you do know. It's like you have to know where people sit to see them.
Oh, I was going to tell you, if you want to see J. Hudson go to Southflint.org and play the video. Also, he is in pictures from time to time- click on the"last week at sft link"
yep, I have seen their picture and did not recognize them, I asked my husband and he didn't either. I guess we just never interacted with them while there. Christ Church is so big that you can go months and sometimes a year or two without seeing people that you do know. It's like you have to know where people sit to see them.
Oh, I was going to tell you, if you want to see J. Hudson go to Southflint.org and play the video. Also, he is in pictures from time to time- click on the"last week at sft link"
Thanks. JH is a pretty good dude. He can pray just about anyone through to the HG.
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Can a oneness believer make it to Heaven on a trinitarian pew? There is a sad situation in my city in which I will spare the details. But I just talked to a young man who has had his fill and is leaving his church this week-end.
During lunch I expressed my concern about his choice of churches and he replied that he was fully aware that it was a trinitarian church but that he knew for a fact that there were other oneness believers that attend.
He said he was solid in his beliefs and planned on attending.
Anybody ever been in this type of situation....meaning believing oneness and attending trinity? We do use trinitarian material to teach and preach from at times. We read books written by trinitarians and gleen from them.
Can we sit on there pews and not waver and yet still be fed and grow?
I know a family here and the parents are solid. their kids are confused. grandkids wont know the difference, and would not know what you meant if you asked them if they were oneness.
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Rico, We mixed it up the other day on politics---but I have got to completly agree with you here. You can pin-point a Trinitarian preacher in just a few minutes. My biggest irk is hearing a typical Baptist (my wife's family) start talking about Jn. 3:16, "God sent his son Jesus" and God loved us so much that he sent "Jesus." A oneness preacher may say similar statements--they are biblical--but when I preach I always say something like, "God loved the world so much that he clothed himself in flesh and came as the Son." You get the idea.
I could not attend a Trinity church. But--I am not excited about a lot of oneness churches either. However, I am blessed to have a good one 2 miles from my home. But it seems like a lot of oneness/Apostolics fight over the most petty things that Trinity people just don't get that excited about. They just don't have the same silly DRAMA that goes on in OP churches.
That's true. I think part of the reason for that is that trinity denominations in this country have been established a lot longer than oneness churches have been. They've pretty much done the bulk of splitting into this faction or that faction that they're going to do. Us oneness people are just starting down that road.
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