mark of the beast - Page 3

Sister Alvear · #21 09-09-2008, 09:56 AM

I with all my heart believe it is coming...in our regional convention in the backlands of the state of bahia god has spoken to our people about this fact...i believe the bible and i believe them ..for they do not know the hundreds of opinions most cannot even read or write...god spoke to them long before i gave my bible lessons...they are preparing.

dlaw930 · #22 09-09-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

i will . as long as i dont have to deny JESUS . start living in a way unholy ,i will. and it s not ON UR FOREHEAD AND ON UR RIGHT HAND IT S IIIIINNNNNN...... the right hand represents power.. cmon u have preached and taught this untill u get to this subject. whats in ur forehead ,, ur mind .. what makes a beast nature .. its mindset...as nlong as i pray, fast ,trust god ,, keep his commandments ,, hey if they give me 40 more numbers whats the difference,, you got many now are you saved?

I agree completely. I am not waiting for a LITERAL mark. I says you will worship the beast. Don't get hung up on this "Traditional" way of looking at the book of Revelation. John said "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day," you can't read Revelation from that point on and get a Carnal or Natural mind set of what he is seeing.

Jude vs 10 and 11.
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beast, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah.

Jeremy · #23 09-09-2008, 10:36 AM

Prophecy is my biggest gap in knowledge when it comes to the things of God. I have seen so many opinions, and so many people be proven to be wrong that I simply have no desire to study it at all. It has always seemed a distracting trap that consumes a lot of time and energy that would be better spent reaching a lost world with the message of the hope of Jesus.

I know that may be a completely ignorant view on my part, but for now, it is how I tend to look at the subject.

mfblume · #24 09-09-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Duane Williams

Bro. Blume,

The phylacteries were literal, yes?

They were never meant to be literal the way Moses spoke of the issue. People erred in making literal phylacteries. Most everyone knows that putting these between the eyes as frontlets is speaking about dedicating one's will to the law. It is error to say the phylacteries fulfilled Moses' command from God. Ask the orthodox Jews.

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Originally Posted by JOHN GILL COMMENTARY

Exo 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes,.... These are not the words of God or of Moses to the children of Israel, but of an lsraelitish parent to his son, telling him that this feast of unleavened bread would serve the same purpose to refresh his memory with what God did for his people of old, as the tying of a thing on the hand, or placing it before the eye, is to a person to bring anything to his remembrance, to which the allusion is; the like figurative phrases may be observed in Pro_1:9, the Jews understand this literally, and hence the use of phylacteries among them, which they bind upon their left hand, and place upon their foreheads between their eyes, of which See Gill on Mat_23:5, but such a practice could be of no use to answer the end next mentioned:

that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth; for surely this cannot be taken literally, but the sense is, that being instructed by the observance of the above feast, and being taught the meaning of it, they might be able to speak of it to their children, and so transmit it from age to age to their latest posterity:

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Originally Posted by JFB

Nor is it probable that either this practice or the phylacteries of the Pharisees - parchment scrolls, which were worn on their wrists and foreheads - had so early an existence. The words are to be considered only as a figurative mode of expression.

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Satan's version will be literal as well. Let me ask you this. If the U.S. government compels all its citizens to have a microchip implanted in the fleshy part of their right hand between thumb and forefinger, or in one of their eyebrows, will you comply?

In my opinion it is as silly ask me that question as it is to ask me if I would do anything that will never come to pass, anyway.

If the mark is literal, then it cannot be a chip for the MARK means an ETCHING in the body, not something inserted inside. And if it is literal, then so is the name of the Father literally on the 144,000.

mfblume · #25 09-09-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

Prophecy is my biggest gap in knowledge when it comes to the things of God. I have seen so many opinions, and so many people be proven to be wrong that I simply have no desire to study it at all. It has always seemed a distracting trap that consumes a lot of time and energy that would be better spent reaching a lost world with the message of the hope of Jesus.

I know that may be a completely ignorant view on my part, but for now, it is how I tend to look at the subject.

I feel sad for remarks like this since the bible warns people would speak evil of the way of truth by reason of others who have become a reproach about it. In other words, being turned off an entire book of the bible like Revelation because of some nutcases is something God would never condone.

Many relegate study of Revelation to be a lesser issue of importance than other biblical issues. Such thinking is extremely wrong. Revelation is an entire book of the Bible! Would God have us relegate an entire book of the Bible to be something of lesser concern than the rest of the Bible? Think of it. God took time and inspiration to move upon His servant, John, to write an entire book that people are casting aside today as unimportant. Oh, they might claim it's important, alright, but not as important as other issues.

I disagree. God wants us to clearly understand all of the Bible. And the temptation to cast off any study of Revelation whatsoever goes hand in hand with the thought that it is not as important as other issues.

mfblume · #26 09-09-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

...and it s not on ur forehead and on ur right hand it s iiiiinnnnnn...... The right hand represents power.. Cmon u have preached and taught this untill u get to this subject. Whats in ur forehead ,, ur mind .. What makes a beast nature .. Its mindset...as nlong as i pray, fast ,trust god ,, keep his commandments ,, hey if they give me 40 more numbers whats the difference,, you got many now are you saved?

exactly!

Jeremy · #27 09-09-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I feel sad for remarks like this since the bible warns people would speak evil of the way of truth by reason of others who have become a reproach about it. In other words, being turned off an entire book of the bible like Revelation because of some nutcases is something God would never condone.

Many relegate study of Revelation to be a lesser issue of importance than other biblical issues. Such thinking is extremely wrong. Revelation is an entire book of the Bible! Would God have us relegate an entire book of the Bible to be something of lesser concern than the rest of the Bible? Think of it. God took time and inspiration to move upon His servant, John, to write an entire book that people are casting aside today as unimportant. Oh, they might claim it's important, alright, but not as important as other issues.

I disagree. God wants us to clearly understand all of the Bible. And the temptation to cast off any study of Revelation whatsoever goes hand in hand with the thought that it is not as important as other issues.

It's not just Christianity that causes me to care little about prophecy. Look at the Jewish people and how mislead by the prophecy of the Messiah they were. They missed Jesus because they were looking for something else entirely.

I just don't care. Look how stupid all the guys running around in the eighties looked for the last 20 years. If any of them are still alive, I bet they are adjusting their sermons right now to fit into the modern world while rejoicing that the mighty Bear is raising it's head again to do battle with the Eagle. Or whatever.

To me, it's NOT as important as other issues. The most important issue is Calvary, and I would know all I know about it without the book of Revelations.

I am not knocking the book, or people that dedicate time to it's study, I am just saying it is not for me. I have read it several times of course, but deep study is simply beyond me.

mfblume · #28 09-09-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy

It's not just Christianity that causes me to care little about prophecy. Look at the Jewish people and how mislead by the prophecy of the Messiah they were. They missed Jesus because they were looking for something else entirely.

I just don't care. Look how stupid all the guys running around in the eighties looked for the last 20 years. If any of them are still alive, I bet they are adjusting their sermons right now to fit into the modern world while rejoicing that the mighty Bear is raising it's head again to do battle with the Eagle. Or whatever.

To me, it's NOT as important as other issues. The most important issue is Calvary, and I would know all I know about it without the book of Revelations.

I am not knocking the book, or people that dedicate time to it's study, I am just saying it is not for me. I have read it several times of course, but deep study is simply beyond me.

I changed my opinions after becoming disinterested in prophecy for the same reasons you are. But then God spoke to me one day about prophecy and the outcome let me know that even proper understanding of prophecy is focused on the cross. When you get away from the pop-prophecy, pulp fiction, version of it all, and get focused on the cross when considering prophecy, it is awesome! Jesus said in Revelation that the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus Christ. What is His testimony? The work of the cross!

Deep study is not beyond anyone since anyone can get into the Spirit and delve into the deep things of God!

Sister Alvear · #29 09-09-2008, 09:04 PM

I really hope you folks are right and I am wrong...

mfblume · #30 09-09-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I really hope you folks are right and I am wrong...

I recommend everyone to just stop and study the issue out as to whether we take the rest of the bible to interpret Revelation or not. Which is the best method? Looking for outwardly similar pictures in today's newspapers when reading Revelation, or finding the similar picture in the rest of the Bible and getting insight that way? But most never go that far. Too scared.

Challenging entire paradigms is something so few will ever be bold enough to do. But it is incumbent upon us to do so and analyze the very BASIS for our beliefs. Scary? Yes. But vital.

Let's not leave such a question alone, but rather actually consider it and weigh it out.

So many simply hold to what they were taught for decades and time has eroded away their thoughts as to whether it may be incorrect.