What really happened at Pentecost?

Something scriptural to show me where my understanding is wrong would be appreciated.. instead of all the low blows and personal insults

I have not been personal with any of you... the issues are worthy of debate

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Wait a minute.... for you and I to SPEAK about Jesus who is the Wonderful work of God.... is not PRAISING.. we are speaking we are testifying

Not too much to decode Lyle Story would be so ashamed. you used the word "work" and said it refered to Christ, but the Scriture uses the word "works" plural, not one work but many.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Rico

Where ye leads I will follow (after today), where ye leads I will follow.
Where ye leads I will follow (after today), where ye leads I will follow.
I'll not answer..........again!

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Not too much to decode Lyle Story would be so ashamed. you used the word "work" and said it refered to Christ, but the Scriture uses the word "works" plural, not one worm but many.

it was a typo.. I'l pass the word to J. Lyle

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

So Bro. Sam is it now your believe that people are in the Body of Christ without the baptism of the Holy Ghost? they are all saved, why need the baptism?

In my opinion, the 500 believers who saw Jesus after His resurrection were saved. But only about 120 were waiting in Jerusalem for an experience called:
--being "clothed" or "endued" with power (Luke 24:49)
--receiving power to be witnesses (Acts 1:8)
--the Holy Spirit coming upon them (Acts 1:8)
--the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4)
--a baptism or immersion in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5)
--a filling of the Spirit (Acts 2:4)

What I am saying, and it is a minority opinion on this board, is that there is a difference between being born of the Spirit and being baptized in the Spirit i.e. that there is a difference between having the Holy Spirit dwelling within (salvation/regeneration) and the Holy Spirit coming upon (Holy Ghost baptism or empowerment).

We may or may not agree on this. There are differences of opinion among us here on the board on this, but this minority viewpoint is allowed on this board and is considered Apostolic.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Now brother, that was about deep

In Gen 1:1 God reveals himself.

In Reveleations 21:20-21

It talks about Jesus coming quickly.

Then the bible closes out by saying, "The grace of Lord Jesus Christ, be with you all. A-men.

As if man had screwed things up so badly, "The grace of of the Lord Jesus Christ, be with you all. A-men.

You know why God did not create man first here on earth?

We would have taken credit for the rest of creation.

But as it stands many want to eliminate God from creation because of man's highminded stance, thinking we are at the top of the chain.

Makes me wonder when nature decides to take out a 100,000 in one wave.

God reminds us we are not at the top.

We can argue all the pages between Gen and Rev but God reminds us, ?My grace be with you!" A-men.

Makes me think God is saying, Go ahead man - Make my day!

Originally Posted by Neck

In Gen 1:1 God reveals himself.

In Reveleations 21:20-21

It talks about Jesus coming quickly.

Then the bible closes out by saying, "The grace of Lord Jesus Christ, be with you all. A-men.

As if man had screwed things up so badly, "The grace of of the Lord Jesus Christ, be with you all. A-men.

You know why God did not create man first here on earth?

We would have taken credit for the rest of creation.

But as it stands many want to eliminate God from creation because of man's highminded stance, thinking we are at the top of the chain.

Makes me wonder when nature decides to take out a 100,000 in one wave.

God reminds us we are not at the top.

We can argue all the pages between Gen and Rev but God reminds us, ?My grace be with you!" A-men.

Makes me think God is saying, Go ahead man - Make my day!

What did that have to do with Pentecost?

[revrandy]

What was the reason for their Drunken behavior??


Seeing that Peter pointed that out?

These men are NOT drunk as ye supposed?...

Seems to me there was something going on...

Originally Posted by Sam

In my opinion, the 500 believers who saw Jesus after His resurrection were saved. But only about 120 were waiting in Jerusalem for an experience called:
--being "clothed" or "endued" with power (Luke 24:49)
--receiving power to be witnesses (Acts 1:8)
--the Holy Spirit coming upon them (Acts 1:8)
--the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4)
--a baptism or immersion in the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5)
--a filling of the Spirit (Acts 2:4)

What I am saying, and it is a minority opinion on this board, is that there is a difference between being born of the Spirit and being baptized in the Spirit i.e. that there is a difference between having the Holy Spirit dwelling within (salvation/regeneration) and the Holy Spirit coming upon (Holy Ghost baptism or empowerment).

We may or may not agree on this. There are differences of opinion among us here on the board on this, but this minority viewpoint is allowed on this board and is considered Apostolic.

Bro. Sam,, it's good to know I am not the only one who holds the minority view... I believe as well that many will be saved without the baptism of the Holy Ghost...However, I believe they will have to endure tribulation to be tried by fire whether their works be of God or not....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

What did that have to do with Pentecost?

some believe that Pentecost was the second coming of Jesus

that He returned in clouds of witnesses as the Comforter or Holy Spirit.