Does no one accept responsibility any more?

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

your words are shameful and hurtful grassy boy, you dont know mow, and you dont know us, i am well aware of gods judgement on pastors, fact is mow is right, we do need to accept responsiblity for our own selves, you are caught up in the web of ignorance on this one, grow up, dt

The man denigrated hurting people for personal satisfaction on this thread. I know people who are hurting. My family almost lost our house but because of the government's actions to right the wrong of the deregulated industry we got to keep it. HOW DARE HE insinuate that I'm irresponsible when he doesn't know a God forsaken thing about my situation.

[DividedThigh]

i hear chris hall, lol,dt

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Seems to me there were some tax collectors who were admonished about stealing from the people as well. The Jews felt the same way about tax collectors in the 1st century as I do today. When you advocate taking from me, even in the form of taxes, to spend on your pet project that is stealing. Taking what doesn't belong to you through force is stealing.

You’re twisting the Scriptures and showing your ignorance of the facts. The tax collectors were admonished not to steal from the people. You see, they were demanding more from people than they truly owed and pocketing the difference.

Do you believe the current health care industry is stealing from you by increasing your premiums to pay for the uninsured who are paying little to nothing toward the care they received in the ERs???

Government forcing everyone to carry a health insurance plan isn’t stealing from you…it’s making sure everyone pays their fair share so costs stabilize.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I pray he finds himself as destitute as those he judges.

The only time I have been without a job was when I was stupid enough to quit one without first having another. That was my stupidity and I paid for it. The government should not bail me out of my stupidity. I work hard to take care of my family. When I pastored a small church, I worked a full time job to take care of them. There is no excuse for laziness and slothfulness. I've made bad financial decisions before, and took my lumps because I made the decision. I expect no one to bail me out. I even took out an interest only loan and paid more than the principle to take advantage of it as long as the market was with me. I knew what was coming in a few years. I knew the payment would go WAY up. When the market turned, and before the payment went up, I got out of it and found a very low, fixed interest loan. You can do that when you're responsible and have good credit because you follow God's word by paying your bills on time. The slothful can't do that because they don't follow God's word.

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I've known God to wash out pastors with tenure due to lack of compassion and judgment. Pastors aren't little popes who can deride and brow beat the destitute and hurting and expect God to shut up. God punished the priesthood for their abuses. I believe God can correct an abusive man of God.

If someone has a legitimate need and is doing the best they can, I'm all for helping them. If they're lazy and have an entitlement attitude, let them go hungry. America is a country with a gazillion opportunities for those who are diligent and live within their means. If a person has a good work ethic and is faithful there will always be work for them to do. It may not be at the level they want, but God always rewards the industrious.

We're not talking about people who can't take care of themselves, but people who won't. I have no compassion for someone who is not willing to try. Someone who is willing to try, I'll work with all day!

[DividedThigh]

and you ignorantly believe the govt can handle health care when they mess up everything else they touch, what hogwash, dt

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

The man denigrated hurting people for personal satisfaction on this thread. I know people who are hurting. My family almost lost our house but because of the government's actions to right the wrong of the deregulated industry we got to keep it. HOW DARE HE insinuate that I'm irresponsible when he doesn't know a God forsaken thing about my situation.

I think you need a ride on the

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

You’re twisting the Scriptures and showing your ignorance of the facts. The tax collectors were admonished not to steal from the people. You see, they were demanding more from people than they truly owed and pocketing the difference.

Do you believe the current health care industry is stealing from you by increasing your premiums to pay for the uninsured who are paying little to nothing toward the care they received in the ERs???

Government forcing everyone to carry a health insurance plan isn’t stealing from you…it’s making sure everyone pays their fair share so costs stabilize.

I don't believe I am as ignorant as you have stated in several posts now. I also fundamentally disagree with your socialist views. You can complain that I am calling you a socialist all you want the reality is you espouse socialism. I am not going down the road your essays on health scare either. You don't have a right to it. Get over it. I don't want the government forcing me to do anything...not even for if YOU think it’s in my best interest.

Government is not the answer.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I read the political hoopla and the threads about what the government should do FOR us and it just seems to me like there are so many people who want the government to do everything including wiping their "nose" when they have a sniffle.

Where has personal responsibility gone?

Why is it the government's responsibility to find me a job?
Why is it the government's responsibility to heal me when I'm sick?
Why is it the governments responsibility to put food on my table?
Why is it the governments responsibility to make sure that I make enough money?
Why is it the governments responsibility to control gas prices?
Why is it the governments responsibility to tell me how to raise my kids?
Why is it the governments responsibility to bail me out of my house mortgage when I was the one who signed the contract for a bad loan deal?
Why is it the governments responsibility to bail out the airline industry or any industry for that matter? Why should I be responsible for someone's else's bad business decisions?

Have Americans really become so soft and wimpy that they can't take life by the horns, man up and do what is right?


If I can't afford health care like people who make lots of money, then I can't. No big deal. It's not their responsibility to take care of me. If I can't afford to send my kids to college, then they can join the Armed forces and get them to pay for it after they have done their duty.

There ARE jobs out there. Many of them may not pay boat loads of money, but if you can't afford your life style, they you'll just have to pare down and adjust it. It really isn't rocket science.

Don't have many job skills? GET SOME! READ A BOOK! FIGURE SOMETHING OUT! Apply yourself and stop whining.

As great a country as America has been it just really ticks me off (can you tell?) that our citizens wring their hands and whine and moan and belly ache and complain instead of getting off their fat duff and doing something about it....like work! Kill the cable bill, get rid of the expensive cell phone, stop buying cigarettes, booze, lottery tickets and stop using credit cards to finance your lifestyle!!!

Accept the responsibility! In America, there are few obstacles and "scads" of opportunities!!! Become a winner not a whiner!!



I'm MOW and I approve this message

Amen! MOW for Prez!


This is exactly what the government school system is designed to produce: Dependent, compliant, patriotic, unquestioning citizens incapable of critical thought and subject to peer pressure to conform.

Stop Socialism! Stop Communism! Stop Redistributionism!

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Government is not the answer.

Government has NEVER been the answer. The answer is personal responsibility! Actions have consequences and I am responsible for them.

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i hear chris hall, lol,dt

Don’t be ignorant. I’ve told nearly everyone I’m posting with about this new handle. Ask Baron about it…he was there when I created it. You see Ferd, you, and others were calling me such names and slandering my character I decided to take on a different name so I could express my feelings without being openly slandered. Here’s what happened on another forum. I was on Apostolic Man forum and posted some things about President Bush. I was called a liberal, a commie, and all this garbage. Well a few brothers from the church I used to attend read some of what I wrote. One day after men’s prayer they approached me with political questions and said they read what I wrote about President Bush. They told me how they felt, “a communist”, shouldn’t go to church there. It turned into a shoving match as I tried to get into my car to get away from them. When you guys began slandering me under my real name I realized I better take on another alias just to give myself some anonymity. I don’t know who you are DT…and I wouldn’t want to put you in any kind of danger. So stop making fun of me and slandering me. It’s a darn shame when you can’t disagree with conservative Apostolic brothers on politics without being harassed and risking some degree of danger but that’s the world we live in. Well, when I decided it best to go by a different handle Baron had called me, “young grasshopper”, so I adopted the title in his honor. So please DT….get a life and stop trying to brow beat people you don’t agree with. And if you continue to try to connect my real name with my posts I’ll take it as an effort to expose me to personal slander and/or harm. I’m not playing with you. Please respect my wishes.