Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Encryptus
Granted this may come across as blasphemy in some circles.
What is said over the candidate is not paramount.
In baptism "in the name of" means by whose authority.
What most don't take into account is that the candidate and baptizer don't just magically appear in the water together with no interaction beforehand.
The candidate has had a previous communication and repented, declared Jesus Christ as their Lord, determined to follow Him in all things, and wish to be identified with the body of believers.
If this has not happened prior to baptism, then it really doesn't matter if anything is said in the water the person is just getting wet.
My thoughts exactly ... but if this scenario were to come up ... and the 3 step view is true ... man ... what a dilemma!!!!
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
My thoughts exactly ... but if this scenario were to come up ... and the 3 step view is true ... man ... what a dilemma!!!!
When there are other ways to communicate Daniel, there should be no problems. No matter how many steps there are.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
I did go to church with a deaf/mute years ago. She could make some sounds, but no words that were recognizable. Is that still considered mute?
There is a very short time in which speech must develop during childhood or it won't happen. I believe if they don't learn how to speak by the time they are about 6-10 yrs old, they will not be able to learn. The speech centers of the brain shrink and learning will be impossible. Making sounds that aren't parts of speech would be considered mute, yes.
I saw an interesting documentary on children who were found as teens living on the streets that couldn't speak. They were homeless and had never been around people to interact. One such child did nothing but walk around on all fours, barking like a dog. Turns out, he was raised by a pack of dogs while living on the street. His mannerisms were totally canine, even snarling and growling and eating.
They said he would never be able to speak because the speech centers were gone in his brain already, but teaching sign language is possible. They can learn the language and hear just fine, but are unable to speak. I found that to be astounding.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
I do know of a deaf mute that was saved. Although the person who baptized her was not as far as I know. I don't think the NAME has to be spoken out loud as long as the hearts of both know and of course our Father knows the intents of both hearts. It is not what is in the head Daniel, but what is in the heart, and we know God knows the intent of our hearts. That of course does not give ground to the scripture however, as we know we must be born again of the water and of the spirit. The death mute I speak of could make some sounds and could sign very well as could her family and some of her friends.
I don't spose we could imagine God knows who is refered to when he hears "in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost" ??
No ..surely God is not that smart ( T.I.C.) He'd rather sit back and disqualify someones heart felt repentance and commitment to him, on a technicality.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
Science has shown that speaking tongues activates areas of the brain other than the areas that govern speech...in other words brain scans show that it's not the speaker who is doing the talking:
The deaf and mute speak in tongues without any problem when the Spirit moves upon them. Many of us have seen this.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall
Science has shown that speaking tongues activates areas of the brain other than the areas that govern speech...in other words brain scans show that it's not the speaker who is doing the talking:
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
[QUOTE=Encryptus;468055]Granted this may come across as blasphemy in some circles.
What is said over the candidate is not paramount.
In baptism "in the name of" means by whose authority.
This is not accurate..! In fact looking at all the Scripture verses on baptism, it is ridiculous. You have seen too many episodes of Pistolsmoke or some other Western shows where the Sheriff or Marshall says 'stop in the name of the law"
I am beginning to wonder if anyone's brain has ever started on this thread. When are you going to start one on "did Adam have a bellybutton?"???
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
I think it's difficult to use the authority of one without calling upon the power and authority behind their name. The ancients placed much importance on the spoken name. To speak a name was to invoke all power and authority involved. It was so sacred they guarded the Tetragrammaton and even stopped and cleansed their quills when writing the sacred name's consonants.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall
I think it's difficult to use the authority of one without calling upon the power and authority behind their name. The ancients placed much importance on the spoken name. To speak a name was to invoke all power and authority involved. It was so sacred they guarded the Tetragrammaton and even stopped and cleansed their quills when writing the sacred name's consonants.
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by ChristopherHall
Science has shown that speaking tongues activates areas of the brain other than the areas that govern speech...in other words brain scans show that it's not the speaker who is doing the talking:
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
For hearing or deaf..it is God doing the speaking and I don't see it as being any more difficult for God either way.
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