I Corinthians 11

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Funny, it just seems like Paul is either being sarcastic or giving an illustration in verse six.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

vs. 15 is the key. long hair is the cover.

Paul was saying, short hair is a shame so she shouldnt have short hair.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ferd

vs. 15 is the key. long hair is the cover.

Paul was saying, short hair is a shame so she shouldnt have short hair.

What does that mean, shamed in that culture, shamed before God? Something else?

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Ferd

vs. 15 is the key. long hair is the cover.

Paul was saying, short hair is a shame so she shouldnt have short hair.

But the whole passage is about the husband being the covering for the woman, right? If the wife disregards her covering (husband) then she might as well bring shame to herself the same way that shaving her head would bring.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

What does that mean, shamed in that culture, shamed before God? Something else?

go back to vs. 16. all the churchs see it this way. it isnt simply a cultural thing as all the churches are spread across many cultures.

Paul says the shame is before God. (because of the Angles and no that doesnt mean the magic hair doctrine which i think really bad)

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

But the whole passage is about the husband being the covering for the woman, right? If the wife disregards her conversing (husband) then she might as well bring shame to herself the same way that shaving her head would bring.

No it is not at all about that.

Paul says in vs. 15 that a womans covering is her hair.

Paul does use the order of things (God, man, woman) and thier positional relationship as an analogy

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ferd

No it is not at all about that.

Paul says in vs. 15 that a womans covering is her hair.

Paul does use the order of things (God, man, woman) and thier positional relationship as an analogy

God, Christ, man, woman.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Ferd

go back to vs. 16. all the churchs see it this way. it isnt simply a cultural thing as all the churches are spread across many cultures.

Paul himself calls it a "custom".

[deltaguitar]

What does the phrase "Judge for yourselves" mean? Does it mean that we can judge for ourselves?

I would think that if this was something important it would have been mentioned more clearly and in other places in the Bible.




13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Ferd

No it is not at all about that.

Paul says in vs. 15 that a womans covering is her hair.

Paul does use the order of things (God, man, woman) and thier positional relationship as an analogy

BTW, the word "covering" in vs. 5 and vs. 15 are not the same greek word.

Vs. 5 greek is "Katakalupto"...to cover that is a veil.

Vs. 15 greek is "peribolaion"...something thrown around you.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

What does the phrase "Judge for yourselves" mean? Does it mean that we can judge for ourselves?

I would think that if this was something important it would have been mentioned more clearly and in other places in the Bible.




13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

bottom line DG, vs 16 covers it. But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches.


vs. 1 says "ordanances. vs 16 ends the discussion. As far as I am concerned, there is no debate. Paul taught the Corinthian church the same thing that was taught in all the churches regardless of thier culture. the teaching stands. period. end of story.

men have short hair
women have long hair.

anything more or less than that is more or less than what the bible says.

what is so difficult about this?