Yes I understand the Republicans are not strong enough. Thats why I said unless Mcain comes out STRONG about this I will not vote.
Understood.
However, I've seen nothing that indicates he's inclinded to do so.
He's trying harder to appleal to the center than the right.
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And I say as Christians we have a responsibility to work for as moral a government and laws as possible and that means voting for the canidates and political parties that most support Christian values.
It is naive to think it doesnt matter. Just a few days ago USA Today had an article about the lasting effects of the many conservative judges Ronald Reagan appointed to the Federal courts. If not for these judges somewhat holding back the flood of judicial activism there is no telling how much worse the country would be today.
Burying ones head in the sand and wahing ones hands of politics may seem pious but it is in fact a dereliction of ones responsibilty to God and family.
There are real differences between canidates and parties and those real differences have great impact on moral issues like partial birth abortion, etc.
CC1, if you can provide some scriptural backing for this notion that getting out of the political scene is a "dereliction of one's responsibility to God and family" then I would most certainly be willing to read them.
However, I've seen nothing that indicates he's inclinded to do so.
He's trying harder to appleal to the center than the right.
Yup. McCain knows that conservative Republicans pretty much despise him. He hopes to build a winning coalition by holding on to enough of the Republican base so that when he adds a majority of independents and disgruntled Democrats he can win.
It is a longshot but Obama's recent drubbing in blue collar states show a big vulnerability on his part. For him to win an electoral majority he is going to have to do it differently than recent strategies.
Obama can pull all of the elite liberal vote from the urban North East and CA but will still lose if he can't get a majority in many more conservative states.
The unknown question is can he pull enough new voters into the system who are excited about the first Black Presidential nominee for President to offset those with concerns about his lack of experience and his radical connections (not to mention prejudice people who won't vote for him based on his skin color).
CC1, if you can provide some scriptural backing for this notion that getting out of the political scene is a "dereliction of one's responsibility to God and family" then I would most certainly be willing to read them.
Christian duty in the sense of common sense measures to try and provide as moral an enviroment as possible for ones family to grow up in.
Christian duty in the sense we are to do what is right and protecting the unborn and opposing murder are right. Supporting a party or canidate who opposes partial birth abortion vs those who don't is a real world application of living out God's morality.
I would simply sit on the sidelines in this election if it were not for 2 things.
Iraq and the Supreme court.
everyone should take notice that yesterday a Supreme Court ruling came down.
It dealt with the subject of Child Pornography. the vote was 7-2. David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg were the only dissenters. they want to protect the right of an individual to have computer generated images of child pornography. these two are exactly what we will get from Obama.
This is kind of my point, Ferd. This kind of stuff is going to happen no matter who is in office. I know that the President is who does the nominating, but having a completely conservative panel of judges isn't going to change the fact that this world is going to get worse and worse. When I read my Bible, I don't see a command to go out and change or dominate the world. I see a command to go out and save people from the world. It's almost as if we're bent on building an earthly kingdom for Jesus, when His kingdom is a spiritual one not governed by politics, judges, or earthly laws.
Christian duty in the sense of common sense measures to try and provide as moral an enviroment as possible for ones family to grow up in.
Christian duty in the sense we are to do what is right and protecting the unborn and opposing murder are right. Supporting a party or canidate who opposes partial birth abortion vs those who don't is a real world application of living out God's morality.
Ok. So you have none. Glad we got that cleared up. Supporting or not supporting a political party is not included as part of a Christian's obligation, from a scriptural standpoint.
This is kind of my point, Ferd. This kind of stuff is going to happen no matter who is in office. I know that the President is who does the nominating, but having a completely conservative panel of judges isn't going to change the fact that this world is going to get worse and worse. When I read my Bible, I don't see a command to go out and change or dominate the world. I see a command to go out and save people from the world. It's almost as if we're bent on building an earthly kingdom for Jesus, when His kingdom is a spiritual one not governed by politics, judges, or earthly laws.
Rico, there is a thread within christianity that believes we should do what ever we can to hasten the coming of the Lord. they would say, vote for the worst candidate and seek to see things get worse.
but i cant see that. Nor can I see doing nothing as a good course.
my bible tells me to do what is right. to always do what is just.
I realize that we cannot stop the progression of time, but we are none the less required to do what we believe is right.
where politics are concerned, doing what ever we can to stop abortion falls in that catagory. maybe Mccain will be no different than Obama, but there is a chance he will.
put 2 more conservitives on the court and Roe can be overturned.
if Obama is elected we will pull out of Iraq. and that country will devolve into chaos and it will be our fault. that is doing wrong. I cannot do wrong.
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Rico, there is a thread within christianity that believes we should do what ever we can to hasten the coming of the Lord. they would say, vote for the worst candidate and seek to see things get worse.
but i cant see that. Nor can I see doing nothing as a good course.
my bible tells me to do what is right. to always do what is just.
I realize that we cannot stop the progression of time, but we are none the less required to do what we believe is right.
where politics are concerned, doing what ever we can to stop abortion falls in that catagory. maybe Mccain will be no different than Obama, but there is a chance he will.
put 2 more conservitives on the court and Roe can be overturned.
if Obama is elected we will pull out of Iraq. and that country will devolve into chaos and it will be our fault. that is doing wrong. I cannot do wrong.
Overturning Roe is not going to stop abortions from happening, Ferd.
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