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Old 04-14-2008, 10:47 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

To borrow a Biblical term, I think this is the "beginning of sorrows.'

Have any of you been paying attention to the California court's ruling that parents cannot home school their children unless they are state-certified?

More and more it seems government is defining what is religiously acceptable. That is alarming to me.

And, of course, I believe what was going on down there was deplorable.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:52 PM
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To borrow a Biblical term, I think this is the "beginning of sorrows.'

Have any of you been paying attention to the California court's ruling that parents cannot home school their children unless they are state-certified?

More and more it seems government is defining what is religiously acceptable. That is alarming to me.

And, of course, I believe what was going on down there was deplorable.
They would argue it is not about relegion (the state I mean). But it is truly about parental rights in this instance. One of my daughters-in-law home schools her teenage daughter and doesn't vaccinate her babies either. You cannot attend public school in Texas if you aren't vaccinated. I remember when I was a kid going with my Mom to a Baptist church to sign a petition to keep prayer in public schools. Didn't happen but some Christians tried.
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Old 04-14-2008, 10:59 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

Faith is being put in a box.

Legislators, and the judiciary, are become very heavy-handed.

Look, I can't stand Hilary's policies. But she had some great responses to Barak's condescension toward religion this past week. She actually stated that he thinks religion and faith is a convenient crutch.

She went on to say that she believes the vast majority of Americans are faith-fiilled because their faith 'defines" them, not because it is a flag to wave at a convenient time.

Many American secularists just don't get that. And so they try to legislate faith into a smaller and smaller, very inconspicuous little box.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:00 PM
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And that is why these events are accepted with very little public outcry.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:03 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

Along the same vein............ Several states have now implemented newborn testing for things such as cystic fibrosis, autism, PKU, hemoglobinopathy, etc. Whether these tests are a good thing or not is not my issue. In fact, I know of a couple that because of such required testing is now prepared to fight a potential deadly disease with knowledge and understanding. Finding out early has been a blessing - but for whatever reason, maybe some people would choose not to have such testing done on their newborn.

Several months ago there was news of a newborn baby being taken from a home because the parents didn't allow their newborn the testing that had recently become law in Nebraska. The police came into the home and took the baby from the arms of his 12 year old brother. The baby had never had a bottle - and was in the habit of nursing every couple of hours or so.... They stated religious reasons for not having the testing done. That baby was kept away from his parents and siblings for over a week! That is WRONG!

Sorry folks......... even though there are some things that are good for us - the government FORCING us to do these things is slowly but surely taking away our rights. I'm all for safety - I buckle my seatbelt every time I get in the car, I think helmets for motorcycle riders make sense, I think that helmets for children on bicycles makes sense - but something deep inside me believes that by passing such laws and not allowing me to make that decision for myself (and/or my children) is slowing desensitizing us to how much control the government has now and how much more it is trying to get.

I know I'm not stating my thoughts very coherently - much less eloquently - but the bottom line is that slowly but surely "Big Brother" is not only watching everything I do and say, but he is gaining more and more control over what I do or say.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:09 PM
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I agree that there is just something not right about this -- I understand they had a complaint- but why not take the girls from say 12 to 17 into custody? I also found it very strange that Jeff Jessops was on the 10 most wanted list before he was taken into custody. To put him on the same level as terrorists????
That's Warren Jeffs, and yes, to put him on the ten most wanted list was a bit on the extreme side.

Doesn't make me too comfortable, actually.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:11 PM
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Am I right in understanding that your religious practices can't go against the law of the land?
Not exactly. For instance, it's law that your children be vaccinated, but you can obtain religious exemption and not have them vaccinated.
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:26 PM
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That's Warren Jeffs, and yes, to put him on the ten most wanted list was a bit on the extreme side.

Doesn't make me too comfortable, actually.
Were these crimes the reason he was on the list?
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:31 PM
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Where these crimes the reason he was on the list?
Not sure what crimes you are referring to.

He was wanted in connection with marrying off young girls to older men. Not sure how many counts he has against him.
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However, on CNN, I heard that the mothers COULD have stayed with their children, had they gone to the shelter/safe house with them. From what I understood the mothers decided to go back to the compound WITHOUT their children.

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