Understand revelation

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

It would seem to me that Daniel's "time of the end" is defined by the end of the sentence.
While travel has always been, the "many" really hasn't come into being until more modern travel. The same is true of knowledge increasing. It really hasn't been until the last few decades that major increase in knowledge started taking place.

It would appear that the "time of the end" carries different definitions.

The KNOWLEDGE that would be increased is not technology and science. But KNOWLEDGE OF THE VISIONS' meaning.

Daniel 12:4 KJV But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Daniel 12:8-9 KJV And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? (9) And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

The knowledge is regarding the meaning of the visions that Daniel did not know.

Knowledge about the MEANINGS would be increased.

Adam Clarke:

knowledge shall be increased by these means; though the meaning shall not be fully known till the events take place: Then the seal shall be broken, and the sense become plain.

Albert Barnes:

And knowledge shall be increased - To wit, by this method. The angel seems to mean that in this way there would be an advance in knowledge on all the subjects of religion, and particularly on the points to which he had referred. This would be one of the characteristics of these times, and this would be the means by which it would be accomplished.

Jamieson Fausset and Brown

“at the time of the end,” that is, near its fulfillment, “many shall run to and fro,” that is, scrutinize it, running through every page. Compare Hab_2:2 [Calvin]: it is thereby that “the knowledge (namely, of God’s purposes as revealed in prophecy) shall be increased.”

And THIS agrees perfectly with the idea of the book being sealed, or the words CLOSED. This means no one can understand when it is sealed or close.d But at the time of the end, JOHN's day, it was unsealed, and the MEANINGS KNOWN./

Notice:

Revelation 1:3 KJV Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:10 KJV And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Sealing NOT the visions meant not HIDING the meanings. For the time is at hand. It is FOR the Church. Not hidden from the church. Hidden from Daniel's people in his day.

The idea of knowledge being technology and science is a common mistaken notion and is totally out of context.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Well let's see,if this time that is at hand was back at 40 or 70 AD like they say,then I guess the Lord gave rewards to people then too.Nope,don't think so.

He sure did! He gave WRATH to those who disbelieved, and SAFETY AND PROTECTION to those who did! The Christians escaped wrath and were safe in Pella.

Interesting how centuries removes these truths, when the early Church believed Jesus' words to such an extent that when Rome surrounded Jerusalem, they fled, feeling Jesus' words about fleeing referred to THEIR DAY. And THEY WERE SPARED DESTRUCTION! Praise God!

[gloryseeker]

"audience relevant"?????????? Are you saying the book of Ephesians was only meant for the believers at Ephesus and so on?

[Joelel]

Yelp,this was written to the church back then too and is happening today too.

2 Thes.2:[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

"audience relevant"?????????? Are you saying the book of Ephesians was only meant for the believers at Ephesus and so on?

No..I mean it was ORIGINALLY written to the Church @Ephesus..We read what was originally written to THEM..We can still read and apply to our lives today..but this does not mean Paul was speaking directly to us but He was to them...

[ApostolicTexas]

Originally Posted by Joelel

Yelp,this was written to the church back then too and is happening today too.

2 Thes.2:[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

So what your saying Joel..you believe in "double fulfillment"?

[Joelel]

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Originally Posted by Joelel

This is your interpretation Joel..this is not scriptural..






What you fail to realize Joel that this scripture along with the rest of the NT is audience revelance..there was an original audience to whom this was written to and they looked towards this happening in their day..

Yelp happening today too.2 Thes.2:[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

[ApostolicTexas]

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Yelp happening today too.2 Thes.2:[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

This was Paul speaking to the Church of Thessalonia..they were his audience Joel not you or me

[gloryseeker]

Okay, that makes sense, but what's the point? If he was speaking directly to them, using the church at Ephesus as an example, but we can apply what he said to our lives then isn't that a mute point?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The KNOWLEDGE that would be increased is not technology and science. But KNOWLEDGE OF THE VISIONS' meaning.


The knowledge is regarding the meaning of the visions that Daniel did not know.

Knowledge about the MEANINGS would be increased.

Adam Clarke:




Albert Barnes:



Jamieson Fausset and Brown



And THIS agrees perfectly with the idea of the book being sealed, or the words CLOSED. This means no one can understand when it is sealed or close.d But at the time of the end, JOHN's day, it was unsealed, and the MEANINGS KNOWN./

Notice:




Sealing NOT the visions meant not HIDING the meanings. For the time is at hand. It is FOR the Church. Not hidden from the church. Hidden from Daniel's people in his day.

The idea of knowledge being technology and science is a common mistaken notion and is totally out of context.

Predators,