UPC found in Wikipedia under "Schisms & Splits"

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

45 year alignment? Not hardly. That would have placed a date of fellowship back to 1962. In fact, I don't believe brother Wendel, who later committed suicide, went to Ethiopia until after then.

Wow. Never heard about this.
This was a UPC minister, I presume, who later committed suicide?
Whats the story behind that? / just curious.

Originally Posted by pelathais

The UPC article on Wikipedia has long been a battle ground of sorts. There was a long drawn out debate over whether or not NBA star David Robinson was a "prominent member of the UPC." Some UPC people said he was, others said he wasn't.

This one is news to me too.
I didn't know David Robinson was even Apostolic.
Was he UPC at one point?

[Apprehended]

I went back to edit the suicide remark out but I see that you have copied it. Too late. In defference to Sister Bobbie, I should not have made that remark. No greater woman ever graced the pulpit than her. She is one of the greatest preachers, man or woman, to fill the pulpit.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is so Teke beat them to the punch. The leaders sent them a letter severing the fellowship with the UPC.

Isn't it truly amazing how such good people, right in the midst of a great move of God can fall into the depths of such heresy?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Isn't it truly amazing how such good people, right in the midst of a great move of God can fall into the depths of such heresy?

Do we think the divine flesh issue rises to the level of ultimately being salvational?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Isn't it truly amazing how such good people, right in the midst of a great move of God can fall into the depths of such heresy?

In Teke's letter they sent the UPC it stated that their group had always taught that and the officials of the UPC knew they did?

[AGAPE]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Do we think the divine flesh issue rises to the level of ultimately being salvational?

yes

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Do we think the divine flesh issue rises to the level of ultimately being salvational?

I've been in the presence of men to listen to them discussing it both denying and affirming. Actually, I don't understand why either would take the position that they do.

To tell you the truth, I don't really know, even though I have thought much about it. I strongly reject the doctrine, but so far, I don't understand how anyone can say that it is salvational.

Maybe someone here can give me a clear reason why it is salvational.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Do we think the divine flesh issue rises to the level of ultimately being salvational?

Originally Posted by AGAPE

yes

Not to be argumentative, but I do have to wonder about that.

If they get baptized in Jesus name, and God fills them with his spirit are they not saved?
And if yes, does having a distorted view of the Godhead nullify their salvation experience?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Not to be argumentative, but I do have to wonder about that.

If they get baptized in Jesus name, and God fills them with his spirit are they not saved?
And if yes, does having a distorted view of the Godhead nullify their salvation experience?

I think they teach another Jesus other then the one the Apostles taught.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I think they teach another Jesus other then the one the Apostles taught.

I've heard that. I'm not convinced. It seems to me that their perspective on the same Jesus is a bit skewed. But, if every oneness believer was lost because of a skewed understanding of the One God, Jesus, there would not be very many oneness believers saved.