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Old 12-01-2007, 09:07 PM
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I believe someone can use wine for communion and or with a meal.
What we in North America have a problem with is over indulgence!

I grew up among people from France, Italy, & Greece who regularly had wine with meals and frequently made thier own-rarely have I saw them drunk.

Abstinence seems to be a safer/wiser alternative.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:07 PM
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The Bible seems to talk about the fruit of the vine at communion which isn't necessarily alcoholic, however, Paul does say to Timothy to drink no longer water but wine for his stomach's sake. Alcohol isn't prohibited scripturally as far as I can see. But drunkenness is.
"The fruit of the vine"? You mean grape juice?

They didn't drink grape juice because it would have gone bad rather quickly since they didn't have a way to keep it from going bad, and lacked a fridge in every house.

It was real wine... with alcohol in it... not grape juice... which wasn't invented until after PASTURIZATION, by some guy named Welch in the 1800's... who thought drinking alcohol was sinful and wanted to correct all the 'evils' of wine at communion.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:10 PM
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"The fruit of the vine"? You mean grape juice?

They didn't drink grape juice because it would have gone bad rather quickly since they didn't have a way to keep it from going bad, and lacked a fridge in every house.

It was real wine... with alcohol in it... not grape juice... which wasn't invented until after PASTURIZATION, by some guy named Welch in thw 1800's... who thought drinking alcohol was sinful and wanted to correct all the 'evils' of wine at communion.
Now that's the funniest thing I've read all night!
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:12 PM
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What? Do I amuse you? Huh?! You tink I'm funny? Funny how? Eh?


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Old 12-01-2007, 09:13 PM
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What? Do I amuse you? Huh?! You tink I'm funny? Funny how? Eh?


Hey Ronzorelli ... I gotch yo' back.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:20 PM
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"The fruit of the vine"? You mean grape juice?

They didn't drink grape juice because it would have gone bad rather quickly since they didn't have a way to keep it from going bad, and lacked a fridge in every house.

It was real wine... with alcohol in it... not grape juice... which wasn't invented until after PASTURIZATION, by some guy named Welch in the 1800's... who thought drinking alcohol was sinful and wanted to correct all the 'evils' of wine at communion.
I have looked at the scripture in Corinthians and wndered just how much "grape juice" those Corinthians had to drink for Paul to acuse them of being drunken.
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What? Do I amuse you? Huh?! You tink I'm funny? Funny how? Eh?


Who needs Seinfeld with a comedian like you...ROTFL!!! You're scientific explanation written with scholarly clarity is what is so amusing.
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I have looked at the scripture in Corinthians and wndered just how much "grape juice" those Corinthians had to drink for Paul to acuse them of being drunken.
Minor technicality.


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Old 12-01-2007, 09:27 PM
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Because the early church took wine for communion very simple.
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For those who insist that the bible prohibits the use of alcohol by God's people, I'd ask them for their view of Deut 14:26

The Israeilites were commmanded to by wine and other strong drink

They were even instructed to share it with the Levites.
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