Does a NonFounding pastor have the right to decide whether

[StillStanding]

I'm wondering about those pastors who pull out, but their church name includes the words "United Pentecostal Church". i.e. Bonegap United Pentecoatal Church

Could the UPCI file a cease and desist order for a church using their trade marked name on their signs and advertising? Wouldn't these church be required to change their church name?

Originally Posted by josh

A church is only "UPC" if it is affiliated. If it is, then the UPC requires a vote with the district superintendent invited to represent the UPC. He may send a stand-in.

If the church is not affiliated, then they have no say at all because the UPC is fundamentally a preacher's fellowship. The preacher can drop his license. If he doesn't go out under question very little changes.

This is factually correct. Most Churches aren't 'affiliated' themselves... and are 'part of the UPC' only because their Pastor holds a license of his own personal choice.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Chosen

The church is affiliated, and the pastor has UPCI lic.

There ae bylaws but I don't remember there being anything in them addressing this type of situation, so waht happens then, who gets to set the rules??

The Dist Super I understand would be a witness as he will probably bring someone else with him but he has no authority to set rules if not in bylaws...does he?

No, he would be there as a representative of the District. The bylaws protect a congregation from losing the assembly if the Pastor wigs out. I have seen this and seen large churches built by all Pastors in a District become Charismatic overnight. The ministers who had worked on that church for many years all felt they indeed had a vested interested due to the sweat equity they invested. Affilation means the District Super becomes Pastor if the Pastor resigns. Not always a bad thing to be affilated.

I have been in a couple of churches with a founding pastor and unless they do domething egregious it is almost impossible to kick them out and they judge and jury.

No I am not on the church board

Boom why is this thread dumb , I ask if i don't know, if it bothers you or hits too close to home for some reason move along

Boom we are all learned enough to understand many ministers put the flock in the top 5 but not necessarily #1, and many push their personal agenda regardless of the flock, thats reality not fantasy

Thank you Palathais for your input

I have heard that the pastor has already made a definite staement which way he was going to go which made me wonder if he could do that without a vote and that is why I am asking the question because the church is split on the issue

I think all this questioning of the intents of a Pastor is silly. It can be seen from both sides- The founding Pastor was a strict UC and now the new Pastor wants to be on TV. Or the Founding Pastor was open to all ideas and the new man wants a more conservative approach.

It is not edifying at all. "My Pastor is judge and jury" is a broad statement opening you up to bitter replies. "My Pastor would ask no one to buy a new car, while he himself purchased one ever year" is much more balanced showing what the complaint is and not making a personal broad swipe.

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I'm wondering about those pastors who pull out, but their church name includes the words "United Pentecostal Church". i.e. Bonegap United Pentecoatal Church

Could the UPCI file a cease and desist order for a church using their trade marked name on their signs and advertising? Wouldn't these church be required to change their church name?

Wow. Now that is a question that would be interesting to see an answer to.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

I'm wondering about those pastors who pull out, but their church name includes the words "United Pentecostal Church". i.e. Bonegap United Pentecoatal Church

Could the UPCI file a cease and desist order for a church using their trade marked name on their signs and advertising? Wouldn't these church be required to change their church name?

I don't think so PM ... as the org's full name is United Pentecostal Church International ... various oneness Hispanic organizations have kept the United Pentecostal Church name in Spanish ... their churches carry the first three words just not INTERNATIONAL

Examples of other orgs w/ the United Pentecostal name

Iglesia Pentecostal Unida Latinoamericana
Iglesia Pentecostal Unida Hispana
Iglesia Pentecostal Unida de Colombia

Two of these orgs are situated in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I don't think so PM ... as the org's full name is United Pentecostal Church International ... various oneness Hispanic organizations have kept the United Pentecostal Church name in Spanish ... their churches carry the first three words just not INTERNATIONAL

Examples of other orgs w/ the United Pentecostal name

Iglesia Pentecostal Unida Latinoamericana
Iglesia Pentecostal Unida Hispana
Iglesia Pentecostal Unida de Colombia

Two of these orgs are situated in the U.S.

Interesting.

It is not edifying at all. "My Pastor is judge and jury" is a broad statement opening you up to bitter replies. "My Pastor would ask no one to buy a new car, while he himself purchased one ever year" is much more balanced showing what the complaint is and not making a personal broad swipe.[/QUOTE]

Boom that statement was not meant to be derogatory, truth is truth, in the couple of churches i used to attend whenever the pastor felt threatened or challenged he would remind everyone who started the church and that he had the final say period.

how simpler can that be said

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Interesting.

The new org could choose a name like:

Global United Pentecostal Church

or

United Pentecostal Church Assemblies

or

United Pentecostal Church of Holiness

and be well w/ in legal boundaries ... iMO

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Chosen

Boom that statement was not meant to be derogatory, truth is truth, in the couple of churches i used to attend whenever the pastor felt threatened or challenged he would remind everyone who started the church and that he had the final say period.

how simpler can that be said

I accept you did not mean ill, and I as well have seen abuse in my 30+ yrs in Pentecost.

[Sister Alvear]

I would not sit under a pastor I could not trust...