Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Sean]

Read verse 10.....dont voluntarily blind yourself by applying the power brakes at verse 9.

[Sean]

This....



John 14:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Not this....



John 14:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Believest thou not that I am the Father, and the Father is me? the words that I speak unto you I speak of myself: but the Father that is me, I doeth the works.



LOL

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Read verse 10.....dont voluntarily blind yourself by applying the power brakes at verse 9.

Sean, what blindness? Jesus said He was the Father. If you looked at Him you were looking at the Father. Pretty simple. If you get to veerse ten it even gets clearer, Jesus and the Father were one and the same. You don't believe that? Then you and your fake Muslim brother can go start a church in Mecca California.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sean

This....



John 14:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


Not this....



John 14:10King James Version (KJV)
10 Believest thou not that I am the Father, and the Father is me? the words that I speak unto you I speak of myself: but the Father that is me, I doeth the works.



LOL

That hit the mark

[Sean]

Notice how Jesus clarifies His previous remarks in verse 10?

Notice how DB dodges verse 10?

Notice how he hits the brakes at verse 9?

Notice his presupposition and bias ruling his actions?

[Sean]

This is commonly how H/U teachers react to the God inside Christ message of the Bible.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Rev 1:11 has the alpha and omega speak. Then John turns to see who it is. He sees the Son of man. It's all an explanation of showing us who Jesus is... A revelation of Jesus.

A revelation of Jesus? Sorry, that's not what it says.

It says: The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him

Not "A revelation of Jesus". It is a revelation FROM Jesus.

It then says:

He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The Word of God is the message: I am the Alpha and Omega. As I said, "angel" is the incorrect translation here. The actual word is "messenger". The messenger "testifies"
The Words are From God Through the Messenger, who is Jesus Christ.

Then, for the dimmer switches who may read the passage hundreds of years later, it provides further clarification:

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father

Whose God and Father is this referring to? I think that the last time I asked you this your bulb went out. Does God have a God?

[Sean]

H/U's need a revelation of what the Bible is telling us, not a revelation of their Catholic peers.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sean

H/U's need a revelation of what the Bible is telling us, not a revelation of their Catholic peers.

John also writes:

I John: (separate)

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.


II John: (separate)

2 JohnKing James Version (KJV)

1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Jude: (separate)

Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Every single book carefully separates Jesus from God. All of them.

So let them "teach" with sprinkled out of context verses and insults. There is a huge and unexplained hole in this doctrine.

[Sean]

3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.(including all of your verses)




Can it be plainer than that?

Now, my point is, the vast majority of all Christians deny the scriptural, independent man, Christ Jesus(last Adam).

Our muslim friends see this error, so we could never convince them of the 1st century truth, because we dont teach it ourselves.