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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller
In the days of Bishop Haywood they were coming into truth. It had to be hard for them to break away form life long friends to follow the revelation God had given them. For years that were a oneness org. They have preached the truth of the oneness for decades and for them to return to the trinity movement for fellowship makes no sense. Why return and fellowship with the darkness you have been brought out of?
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I mean no disrespect when I post this and there are always exceptions to the rule. Most "Trinity" preachers do not preach "The Trinity". In Apostolic Churches - The Doctrine of "The Oneness of God", "Baptism in Jesus Name" and the "Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues" is preached almost every service. You can have 10 or 10,000 and you pretty much are gonna hear THE DOCTRINE. It is woven into almost every single message as it is your Spiritual DNA. It has become your identity. This is why I quit going to your conventions and campmeetings - its the same thing over and over and over again.
My LAST GA District Campmeeting - Billy Davis started the service off with ONE GOD, ONE GOD, ONE GOD, ONE GOD - about a thousand times until he was beet red in the face - beating on the pulpit like a mad man, screaming at the top of his lungs - ONE GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! I asked him later if a Hindu delegation had walked in? He could not get it. I said - Brother Davis, EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THAT BUILDING - BELIEVES THERE IS ONE GOD! It is Sooooooooooooooooooooo redundant. Thank God for the manna - but we have eaten it every day for 40 years. Lets go over into the promise land and eat some FRESH BREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just want you guys to see from anther viewpoint. I have brought A/G, COG, PH, COGIC and other pastors to UPC events only to be totally embarrassed that they were singled out that they were "looking our way" and the big time preacher had to try and CONVINCE THEM that they were WRONG and TRINITY is not in the Bible (they never tell you that ONENESS is not in there either) and then tell them they are LOST FOREVER MORE if they don't get baptized in Jesus name. They KNOW what you believe - that is why they stay away!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the stuff BORAT is made out of!
This is not true in churches outside your movement. Most do not ever deal with The Godhead - because they simply do not understand it. If you ask them do they believe in the Trinity - they will pause and say, well....... yes! But it is not preached. It is not dissected and taken apart and put back together again like Apostolics do. In 51 years of living in Pentecost and 35 years of ministry - I can count on two hands the number of times I have even heard an explanation of The Trinity from a Trinitarian. Now - they may preach it every Sunday at the A/G or COG where you live but I just have not heard it. I was raised Church of God of Prophecy and they are staunch Trinity. I NEVER heard a message on it. I heard F/S/HG mentioned, but never an explanation except for - Billy Graham said The Trinity is incomprehendible.
They are not out there trying to get people RE-BAPTIZED. They do not spend 30 minutes trying to convince you that Jesus Name baptism is WRONG. They just baptize people. They never mention another mode of baptism.
You all know good and well that people that go to "Trinity" Churches - have no clue what the Trinity is and that they have not been baptized as the NT believers were baptized. We have about 98% NON-PENTECOSTAL background in our church. Most were Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Church of God - Anderson, IN - NON-Pentecostal. We have people filled almost every service. People just come up to the front and I lay hands on them for healing or prayer for something and they start speaking in tongues - having never experienced it in their lives. I do baptisms every month and baptize people without going into why we don't do it this way and what others believe and all that. I just baptize them!
I know you feel it is your duty to teach them your "Oneness" doctrine before they are baptized but I have other things to preach that are more important to me and them than to spend my time - indoctrinating them in the Hall/Bernard Theology of the Oneness of God.
Our people hear that God is one. God is not three or 9 or 12. They are taught the Revelation of Jesus Christ without the Oneness Pentecostal UPC verbiage of Hall/Bernard and the 20th century Oneness version of God.
God is bigger and better than our version of Him!
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