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07-16-2007, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
According to this "deseret" character, God has DNA....which is a material substance, which means God Himself was created. Perhaps Deseret is trying to pass himself (isn't deseret a girls name?) as a Mormon?
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All human males have an XY chromosomes ... Jesus is a male. Unless you contend he's not human
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07-16-2007, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
And this does not harmonize w/ the rest of scripture ... Praxeas ...
God is a He in scripture the the NAS and NIV ... got it.
Simple ... its poor translation out of context .... by the KJV ...
This thread has made me more of NIV/NAS man.
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Sorry, but you are wrong. The word Spirit is Neuter, not Masculine. As I tried to point out already, and you at one time agreed, these gender specifics are just irrelevant. So it's NOT playing with scriptures when they say "it" because they are just going by the grammar.
Second as I have already proven a couple times, Spirit is called ITSELF in Romans.
Nobody said God was an it....Spirit is what God is. Spirit is what God consists of. That is why Spirit is most often called Spirit OF God. Spirit OF the Father. Spirit OF the Son. That is just the grammar and something nobody can change. God, theos, is masculine. Logos is Masculine. Spirit is Neuter. Church is feminine. That is just the way the greek is. So it would be grammatically correct to refer to God as HE and Spirit as IT and still NOT mean anything theologically. It's just grammatically correct because nouns and pronouns must agree in case, number and gender
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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07-16-2007, 01:10 AM
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All human males have an XY chromosomes ... Jesus is a male. Unless you contend he's not human
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What in the world are talking about now? Deseret is saying God passed his Y chromosome to Mary to produce Jesus. Please show me whereever I suggestged Jesus was not human or male?!?!
Dan your posts get more bizarre as we go on
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-16-2007, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Sorry, but you are wrong. The word Spirit is Neuter, not Masculine. As I tried to point out already, and you at one time agreed, these gender specifics are just irrelevant. So it's NOT playing with scriptures when they say "it" because they are just going by the grammar.
Second as I have already proven a couple times, Spirit is called ITSELF in Romans.
Nobody said God was an it....Spirit is what God is. Spirit is what God consists of. That is why Spirit is most often called Spirit OF God. Spirit OF the Father. Spirit OF the Son. That is just the grammar and something nobody can change. God, theos, is masculine. Logos is Masculine. Spirit is Neuter. Church is feminine. That is just the way the greek is. So it would be grammatically correct to refer to God as HE and Spirit as IT and still NOT mean anything theologically. It's just grammatically correct because nouns and pronouns must agree in case, number and gender
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the grammar rules are irrelevant ... here ... if we contend God is the Spirit ... then he is not an it ... you act as if there must be a correspondence all the time ... for instance in Spanish words ending in "a" are almost always feminine but there are exceptions ... like el mapa ...
In this instance the translators ... did not look at the intent of the writers ... who were Jewish ...nor the pattern throughout scripture.... they would never use it to describe God ....
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07-16-2007, 01:12 AM
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What in the world are talking about now? Deseret is saying God passed his Y chromosome to Mary to produce Jesus. Please show me whereever I suggestged Jesus was not human or male?!?!
Dan your posts get more bizarre as we go on
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Do you then agree he had a Y chromosome ... Mr. Logic.
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07-16-2007, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
the grammar rules are irrelevant ... here ... if we contend God is the Spirit ... then he is not an it ... you act as if there must be a correspondence all the time ... for instance in Spanish words ending in a are almost always feminine but there are exceptions ... like el mapa ...
In this instance the translators ... did not look at the intent of the writers ... who were Jewish ... they would never use it to describe God ....
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sigh, this is getting down right stupid. Grammar rules are NOT irrelevant. What is irrelevant is to assume you think I am saying He is an it.
Let me ask you a question. Is your spirit a he?
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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07-16-2007, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
sigh, this is getting down right stupid. Grammar rules are NOT irrelevant. What is irrelevant is to assume you think I am saying He is an it.
Let me ask you a question. Is your spirit a he?
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no my spirit is my spirit ... I use the word my ... to describe the noun
Once again ... there is no equivalent for our English it in the original texts
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07-16-2007, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Do you then agree he had a Y chromosome ... Mr. Logic.
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Who?
We are discussing the SPIRIT Dan Prior to the incarnation. Im about ready to just drop this discussion due to the fact that it has been dumbed down so much.
it's like me saying "The sky is blue" and you arguing with me and saying "The sky is blue, do you agree?"
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-16-2007, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
no my spirit is my spirit ... I use the word my ... to describe the noun
Once again ... there is no equivalent for our English it in the original texts
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Is the Spirit of God HIS Spirit? If there is no equivalent for it the why do you insist Spirit is a HE when you deny yours is?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-16-2007, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Who?
We are discussing the SPIRIT Dan Prior to the incarnation. Im about ready to just drop this discussion due to the fact that it has been dumbed down so much.
it's like me saying "The sky is blue" and you arguing with me and saying "The sky is blue, do you agree?"
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You sir are mixing up your threads ... the incarnation bizness is TB's thread on the Godhead ... this is Eliseus thread where if you go back, my Vulcan friend, he makes an argument for using the word it because the bible says so.
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