I have Left the UPC Church

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What do you mean by 'elevating' the saint?

That the saint is quite capable of living for God and that leadership isn't on a "higher" level than the saint. They are equals and are to be submitted one to another. This doesn't take away the activity of the 5 fold at all -- after all the 5 fold are to bring maturity to the saint. It allows the saint to be able to realize their own potential in God.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I'm not implying she is backslidden at all. I believe she is making an unwise choice which for some could lead to a backslidden state. Hopefully it is temporary for Mich and God will lead her to a fellowship that will encourage her growth in the Lord.

Nor have I said you did make that implication ... but the implication was made in this thread ....

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Is The Body bound up within a church? We are talking about a metaphor when speaking of The Body... it isn't perfect nor does it have boundaries. That's like say God is only within a church building. She hasn't stated that she has left The Body -- on a church, an organization.

I would think that the doctrines set the boundaries.

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Just wondering which church you attend?

Does it actually matter what church I attend? But I will answer your question, I gather with a group of believers in homes -- a small group, sure, but I still have people to whom I am submitted.

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

I would think that the doctrines set the boundaries.

I can agree with that (though we may disagree on what those doctrines are) but doctrines are not buildings.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Just wondering which church you attend?

Nathan and you and I ... are the church, T .... it's my understanding he fellowships in a home church ... sounds like the Apostolic model to me.

Originally Posted by ILG

Okay, maybe he should have said if Michlow's heart is right and she is really desiring truth, after she sifts she will find truth. I figured that is what he meant.

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt, ILG.

That is exactly what I meant.

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by nathan_slatter

Does it actually matter what church I attend? But I will answer your question, I gather with a group of believers in homes -- a small group, sure, but I still have people to whom I am submitted.

So you have a church then.She doesn't.Is it really about the welfare of this sister or just a rant of idealism?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

So you have a church then.She doesn't.Is it really about the welfare of this sister or just a rant of idealism?

Rant of idealism ... care to elaborate ???

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Excuse me ... I think Mich has clearly stated she's fixed to the body but not the org ... let's keep our eye on the ball ....

Dan, I'm not talking about an organization. I could care less if she is UPC. I'm talking about a fellowship of believers who support and exhort and bear one anothers burdens. A three fold cord is strong but if your by yourself who will pick you up when you fall?

9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. 10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up. 11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? 12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching