Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

1) This dumb scenario isn't close to what happened
2) The primary cause of this fake death would be the cardiac arrest

By giving the scenario, you're implying the ME and FE lied and the compression had nothing to do with his death.

You're free to believe what you want. I don't agree, nor does the evidence or experts who are actually trained for this.

So the primary cause of death for a man running and the having a heart attack is the heart attack. But the primary cause of death for a man having his chest and neck compressed before he had a heart attack is the neck and ches compression.... Consistency is not your friend.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

You know, a bullet to the chest can cause a heart attack. A hard punch to the chest or a kick maybe. Just to name a few. These are contributing causes, just as the cops choke hold was a contributing factor.

Now we are in agreement. Various things can cause heart attacks.

However I want to add that Just because a cop does something that ends up causing a man to have a heart attack doesn't make what the cop did anything wrong.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

So the primary cause of death for a man running and the having a heart attack is the heart attack. But the primary cause of death for a man having his chest and neck compressed before he had a heart attack is the neck and ches compression.... Consistency is not your friend.

I don't care your opinion. I'm going by the ME's autopsy report, not by your biased opinion. Again, the fake scenario you made up is apples and oranges in comparison to Garner's death.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

So you didn't say that hemoraghing alone would cause the heart attack?

Nope. You cut the sentence off to make it look like I did, but I didn't.

[n david]

http://youtu.be/xGUsc-rj2V4

This is about as relevant to the discussion as some fake scenario.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

You're right, it doesn't matter since they have zero connection to the case.

they have expert experience and knowledge into the tactic the police used

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by n david

Bump from near the beginning...

I don't place as much weight on the preexisting conditions as you guys, because with the hemorrhaging he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart.

The cop's actions - chokehold, neck compression, chest compression is what caused the cardiac arrest, not his asthma.

Once again NOBODY said his asthma caused a heart attack. He had a bad heart, not just asthma.

He may not have been able to breath because he has asthma and it was aggravated by the stress of the whole situation INCLUDING what the cops did

the LIE is when you come alone and ignore everything I said and try to make it seem I said he died from Asthma

And that is what the Pathologist said...it was a combination of things, the cops actions AND his own preexisting conditions. You can call her a liar if you want, but please do not lie about what I have argued

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I watched the video (all 40 minutes of it), these guys are not Medical Examiners, but they did show where a chokehold could've damaged the trachea if it wasn't done properly.

No they are not. They are experts on chokeholds!

They showed where a chokehold that is stress on the air way could do that and emphasized THIS WAS NOT THAT KIND.

They indicate it was done properly and that he released it when they were on the ground

Other testimony from the internet say the report does NOT say his air way was damages

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I've read this entire thread now, and repeatedly saw you accuse Praxeas of stating it was an asthma attack that killed him, when he never once wrote it was asthma. Not one time. He repeatedly pointed out the preexisting conditions in addition to the neck and chest compression which led to the heart attack. What I can't figure out is why you keep perverting his words? Is it incidental (just glossing over his posts) or do you have an agenda?

I'm not trying to help Praxeas here (he's more than capable of defending himself), I'm just befuddled by what I'm reading from you. It doesn't make sense to me.

thanks and it's true that for a few days now he has been making that same claim and I have repeatedly stated it was a combination of what the cops did and the preexisting conditions and I quoted as evidence from what the news reported the pathologist said

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

BTW, The video that Prax showed concerning the v-neck choke hold doesn't seem to be that at all. The video of Garners hold was that of the forearm from the cop.

It does to me! He did that exact move with the arm bar...

When he slipped down onto the ground the arm seems to move and the cop releases it...that is what the Gracies said