Night. Sorry about upsetting you earlier today. I was Witness for the Prosecution and you were on the stand. Had to pull that bias confession out of you one way or another.
He was in Zimmerman's apartment complex and Zimmerman was a part of organizing the safety of his complex. That would make the issue important to him upon seeing a stranger in his vicinity. I also understood from one of the clips I posted that the Block Captain pointed out the problems they had been having in the complex with robberies and that they have been, mainly, young blacks. So, apparently, a stranger running looked suspicious to Zimmerman.
A. Zimmerman did not live in the complex. B. He was apparently not a part of organizing safety in any real capacity. C. They were not having a rash of robberies. D. If he were part of the neighborhood watch and if they were having robberies, he had already done what they are told to do by calling the police. E. It was not his running that looked suspicious to Zimmerman, he did not begin running until well into the 911 call...
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The only real facts we have are the on the police report. The 911 interpretations are going to be whatever the listener wants them to be.
And please remember that the only time I will show anger through the written word, on this forum, is when I use exclamation points and I have not used any on this thread. I haven't been angry at any time. If I use all caps, it's because those are the important words I am focusing on. Just setting some boundaries. It's a teachable moment. lol
Wow. I tend to trust my ears enough to digest what I actually hear. If I hadn't heard it for myself, I would not have a real opinion. And I hate to break it to you but ever so often there are police reports that are not pristine and devoid of politics and corruption.
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A. Zimmerman did not live in the complex. B. He was apparently not a part of organizing safety in any real capacity. C. They were not having a rash of robberies. D. If he were part of the neighborhood watch and if they were having robberies, he had already done what they are told to do by calling the police. E. It was not his running that looked suspicious to Zimmerman, he did not begin running until well into the 911 call...
I heard in an interview that he lived there, but then I am reading he was a neighborhood watch volunteer (Neighborhood Watch Captain). Perhaps I misunderstood because, generally, when you are involved as a neighborhood watch volunteer, you live in that neighborhood.
You will find that Zimmerman "initiated" the Neighborhood Watch Program and the residents appointed him as Captain. They set that up with the Stanford Police Department. Wendy Dorival is the Department's volunteer coordinator.
Frank Taffe, also a neighborhood watch captain said there had been 8 robberies in the past 15 months. We had two robberies around here in the past year and that seemed like a lot to me. One guy drove up to a house and proceeded to load his vehicle. The homeowners drove up and he pulled a machete on them. They have since erected a fence. Just right up the road from our house in broad daylight. One incident like that is enough to feel unsafe.
The running, from the 9-11 call, was well before the altercation. I still don't know why he was running.
Also, Zimmerman made 46 emergency calls over the span of six years. That is not a lot of calls. The news is calling him "obsessed with law and order. That's 7.66 calls per year. Less than one per month. "Obsessed" with law and order is really reaching.
I still imagine some charges will be brought on Zimmerman.
Wow. I tend to trust my ears enough to digest what I actually hear. If I hadn't heard it for myself, I would not have a real opinion. And I hate to break it to you but ever so often there are police reports that are not pristine and devoid of politics and corruption.
I listened to it as well and didn't get what you got out of it. You never once reported that he said, "Okay" when the Dispatchers told him that he didn't need to follow Trayvon. He was also trying to give directions to the Dispatchers as to where his truck was parked. He finally said to give the police his number and he would tell them where he was. From my take, it sounded like giving directions to the dispatcher was a waste of time and it would be quicker just to tell the police.
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I would be interested to hear a couple of things.
1. How far from the truck did the shooting occur?
If it was within a few feet that Zim could be telling the truth about being attacked by Trayvon as he returned to the truck. If it was not then that story is in doubt.
2. How close did the coroner determine that the gun was when it was fired?
If it was within 2-3 feet it would back up Zim's story of the altercation. If it was 6 feet or further, than it puts it in doubt.
I will say that I was ready to convict Zim based on what I had heard, originally. However, upon doing some research I believe there seems to be more to this story.
The simple narrative of a white racist shooting a young black man was the story that was being told.
That was not true.
JD and tstew, have you seen the black friend of Zim's and listened to his narrative?
I would be interested to hear a couple of things.
1. How far from the truck did the shooting occur?
If it was within a few feet that Zim could be telling the truth about being attacked by Trayvon as he returned to the truck. If it was not then that story is in doubt.
2. How close did the coroner determine that the gun was when it was fired?
If it was within 2-3 feet it would back up Zim's story of the altercation. If it was 6 feet or further, than it puts it in doubt.
I will say that I was ready to convict Zim based on what I had heard, originally. However, upon doing some research I believe there seems to be more to this story.
The simple narrative of a white racist shooting a young black man was the story that was being told.
That was not true.
JD and tstew, have you seen the black friend of Zim's and listened to his narrative?
I am understanding that the Coroner's report will not be available before the court date.
"The shooting of Florida teen Trayvon Martin (left) has drawn national attention to the incident with many commentators already drawing conclusions about guilt and innocence in the matter. New information and evidence in the case continues to feed the controversy."
I would be interested to hear a couple of things.
1. How far from the truck did the shooting occur?
If it was within a few feet that Zim could be telling the truth about being attacked by Trayvon as he returned to the truck. If it was not then that story is in doubt.
2. How close did the coroner determine that the gun was when it was fired?
If it was within 2-3 feet it would back up Zim's story of the altercation. If it was 6 feet or further, than it puts it in doubt.
I will say that I was ready to convict Zim based on what I had heard, originally. However, upon doing some research I believe there seems to be more to this story.
The simple narrative of a white racist shooting a young black man was the story that was being told.
That was not true.
JD and tstew, have you seen the black friend of Zim's and listened to his narrative?
I don't think you all understand what I am saying. My feelings on whether he should have simply walked away from this stem almost exclusively from his 911 call prior to the confrontation...Period. I am not swayed by media hype, conflicting reports, pre-existing political or social stances, or anything like that. I am telling you what I feel based on what I heard and what a reasonable person should have done based on what they were told by dispatch regardless of race. I guess I have to just leave it at that because I'm not sure we will ever get anywhere in this conversation.
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