Is the military going to have to create homosexual showering/living quarters?
And did this repeal address transgendered people?
What an awesome question!
I imagine with all of the medical procedures involved in that transformation, there would be something that any military doctor could find to declare someone unfit for service-- if that was their perogative.
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anyone see that movie bout the guy in the army who falls in love with a tranny? a homophobic soldier takes a baseball bat to his head while he is sleeping. based on a true story.
I haven't done any posting a quite a while....just got bored with the same ole fights about the same ole things. But this discussion brings me back in every time. It's one of my favorite issues here on the Forum because it is so volatile.
And SO important.
I know there are some of you that see gays as this militant, hateful, angry, aggressive group of people working in a manipulative way to force their ideals on others. NOTHING could be further from the truth.
I've been in "Community" with many gay people and I have only met, 100%, people who simply desire to live a quite life and be "Normal." I'm sure that are some "crazies" in the group, as there are in every group.
And for those who think that gays are proud, cocky, in-your-face, and arrogantly embracing of their lifestyle, I have never met a gay person who has not frequently considered suicide, and I have never had a friendship with a gay person who has not attempted it at least once.
Bottom line? Gay people need Jesus. And when I say that, I'm not saying, "They need Jesus for their homosexuality", I'm saying, "They need Jesus for their lives, their souls, their emotions, their pasts and their futures." They need Jesus just like everyone else does.
For us, as Christians, to single them out and seek to deprive ONLY them of their American civil rights is to take a bigoted, exclusionary position...and it's not right.
If we are going to seek to segregate out of normal society, people who are gay, then we must ALSO segregate out of normal society every other person who does not measure up to our guidelines....in other words, anyone who is committing actions that we consider "Sin", must be quarantined out of the military, The Church, The sanctity of marriage, etc....we must loudly proclaim their "error" just as much as we proclaim the gay person's "error". If we don't, we're bigoted. I'm not sure how it can be viewed any other way.
And if you're afraid to take a public shower when a gay person is present? Well, you have problems of a serious nature and need some counseling.
would not have posted a thing or two had I known he was a pastor. LOL LOL
I'd rather be talked to like I'm just another person....because I am. I don't wield the "pastor stick" and attempt to be treated differently. When I smash my thumb with a hammer it hurts, and often, I'll say something that's not very nice. The pastors who don't feel pain and/or who don't ever say anything bad....well, they reached a super-human status I'm nowhere close to.
That's a long explanation to say, you're more than welcome to talk to me however you like!
I haven't done any posting a quite a while....just got bored with the same ole fights about the same ole things. But this discussion brings me back in every time. It's one of my favorite issues here on the Forum because it is so volatile.
And SO important.
I know there are some of you that see gays as this militant, hateful, angry, aggressive group of people working in a manipulative way to force their ideals on others. NOTHING could be further from the truth.
I've been in "Community" with many gay people and I have only met, 100%, people who simply desire to live a quite life and be "Normal." I'm sure that are some "crazies" in the group, as there are in every group.
And for those who think that gays are proud, cocky, in-your-face, and arrogantly embracing of their lifestyle, I have never met a gay person who has not frequently considered suicide, and I have never had a friendship with a gay person who has not attempted it at least once.
Bottom line? Gay people need Jesus. And when I say that, I'm not saying, "They need Jesus for their homosexuality", I'm saying, "They need Jesus for their lives, their souls, their emotions, their pasts and their futures." They need Jesus just like everyone else does.
For us, as Christians, to single them out and seek to deprive ONLY them of their American civil rights is to take a bigoted, exclusionary position...and it's not right.
If we are going to seek to segregate out of normal society, people who are gay, then we must ALSO segregate out of normal society every other person who does not measure up to our guidelines....in other words, anyone who is committing actions that we consider "Sin", must be quarantined out of the military, The Church, The sanctity of marriage, etc....we must loudly proclaim their "error" just as much as we proclaim the gay person's "error". If we don't, we're bigoted. I'm not sure how it can be viewed any other way.
And if you're afraid to take a public shower when a gay person is present? Well, you have problems of a serious nature and need some counseling.
MS - I've been around "alternate lifestyle" folks for quite a while. I have never had anymore problems with them, then with anyone else. As a matter of fact, I received a company award, that the main person who recommended me was lesbian.
I do not believe they are any more sinners, than anyone else. I do believe that we have missed some opportunities as churches, to witness to them, because we have somehow regarded their sin as worse than others.
However, with that said, the overall movement leadership is filled with those who are far more radical. On a corporate company basis for a fortune 100 company, I have seen this move from toleration to acceptance to praise and it is rapidly moving into the join us phase.
The problem with all of this is that we are not far away from where it will be a crime for a pastor to preach against this from the pulpit. If you do not believe me, look at Canada and Europe. There are numerous examples.
Also, there are numerous cases in Europe where the government is suing private indivuals for refusing to provide their services to homosexuals.
I have not had time to look them up, but there are cases about a photographer who refused to take pictures of a homosexual wedding, bed and breakfast operators who refused to let homosexuals stay there, and adoptive/foster parents who either had their children removed or their certifications taken away because they believed that homosexuality was wrong.
That's where we are headed.
If your talking about the SC it is because they didn't legislate it, Congress did and they (SC) declared that it was indeed constitutional for them to regulate it.
"Polygamy has always been odious among the northern and western nations of Europe, and, until the establishment of the Mormon Church, was almost exclusively a feature of the life of Asiatic and of African people. At common law, the second marriage was always void, and from the earliest history of England polygamy has been treated as an offence against society...."
Reynolds v. US
That seems so confusing, regulate polygamy but not same sex marriage. What part of constitution gives gov right to regulate polygamy?
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
MS - I've been around "alternate lifestyle" folks for quite a while. I have never had anymore problems with them, then with anyone else. As a matter of fact, I received a company award, that the main person who recommended me was lesbian.
I do not believe they are any more sinners, than anyone else. I do believe that we have missed some opportunities as churches, to witness to them, because we have somehow regarded their sin as worse than others.
However, with that said, the overall movement leadership is filled with those who are far more radical. On a corporate company basis for a fortune 100 company, I have seen this move from toleration to acceptance to praise and it is rapidly moving into the join us phase.
The problem with all of this is that we are not far away from where it will be a crime for a pastor to preach against this from the pulpit. If you do not believe me, look at Canada and Europe. There are numerous examples.
Also, there are numerous cases in Europe where the government is suing private indivuals for refusing to provide their services to homosexuals.
I have not had time to look them up, but there are cases about a photographer who refused to take pictures of a homosexual wedding, bed and breakfast operators who refused to let homosexuals stay there, and adoptive/foster parents who either had their children removed or their certifications taken away because they believed that homosexuality was wrong.
That's where we are headed.
I understand what you're saying and I completely agree with your statement that I bolded. I also understand where "they" are coming from, and that simply is, attempting to gain access to the mainstream. For this, I don't blame them. If I were in this position, I would be doing the same.
Do some take it too far and become too objectionable? Of course.
As for arriving at the place where it becomes a crime to proclaim from the pulpit that homosexuality is a sin.....first of all, I rarely yell out from the pulpit identifying sins. My job is to feed, encourage, and lead people to a place of desiring a spiritual journey. I'm confident of this...if I can introduce people to Jesus Christ, He will take care of all the sins, infirmities, and issues that I'm unable to resolve in the first place. I have far more faith in Jesus than I do in myself and my ability to make someone aware of things in their lives that need to change.
Second...call me naive, but I don't see that happening (making it illegal to speak against that particular issue). I could go into all the reasons, but if pulpit speech were ever limited in this country, I can't imagine the uprising, even from groups like the ACLU. But even if you're right...so be it. The power of the gospel doesn't depend on our governments restrictions or potential restrictions.
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