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Old 08-19-2010, 12:02 PM
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You're cute.

Charade? I chimed in a comment, you replied and I commented back. Charade?

A little inpatience issue, Ferd?

Time for some PT, gotta run.
Yes. Intentional ignorance and twisting truth seem to be areas where I have no desire to have patience.

Your characterization of the side of this conversation that I have been most vocal on is off base as you intend. I don’t think your motives are pure.
That happens to be another area where I willfully refuse to exercise any patience.

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Old 08-19-2010, 12:04 PM
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great poem showing what blind obedience can do.

I replied with my short reference to this poem before I saw that you had quoted it.
I always saw it as a witness to unerring bravery.

I wont post it, but the long version Charge of the Heavy Brigade is also quite beautiful.... similar odds, different outcome.
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:06 PM
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Yes. Intentional ignorance and twisting truth seem to be areas where I have no desire to have patience.

Your characterization of the side of this conversation that I have been most vocal on is off base as you intend. I don’t think your motives are pure.
That happens to be another area where I willfully refuse to exercise any patience.

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DUH! Of course!

Motive accuser now? Man, you don't stop. I don't even have a clue what you are talking about right now! My initial comment 3 pages ago did not have your name on it.

Thanks for wishing me harm and ill will, though. Go scream someone into conformity.
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:12 PM
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This is me falling on asphalt. Thanks, Ferd. Love ya too buddy.
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:17 PM
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I always saw it as a witness to unerring bravery.

I wont post it, but the long version Charge of the Heavy Brigade is also quite beautiful.... similar odds, different outcome.
I guess we can see several things in that.

The Charge of the Light Brigade was a disastrous charge of British cavalry led by Lord Cardigan against Russian forces during the Battle of Balaclava on 25 October 1854 in the Crimean War. It is best remembered as the subject of a famous poem entitled The Charge of the Light Brigade by Alfred, Lord Tennyson, whose lines have made the charge a symbol of warfare at both its most courageous and its most tragic.

The charge was made by the Light Brigade of the British cavalry, consisting of the 4th and 13th Light Dragoons, 17th Lancers, and the 8th and 11th Hussars, under the command of Major General the Earl of Cardigan. Together with the Heavy Brigade comprising the 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, the 5th Dragoon Guards, the 6th Inniskilling Dragoons and the Scots Greys, commanded by Major General James Yorke Scarlett, himself a past Commanding Officer of the 5th Dragoon Guards, the two units were the main British cavalry force at the battle. Overall command of the cavalry resided with Lieutenant General the Earl of Lucan. Cardigan and Lucan were brothers-in-law who disliked each other intensely.

Lucan received an order from the army commander Lord Raglan stating that "Lord Raglan wishes the Cavalry to advance rapidly to the front, follow the enemy, and try to prevent the enemy carrying away the guns. Troop Horse Artillery may accompany. French Cavalry is on your left. Immediate." Raglan in fact wished the cavalry to prevent the Russians taking away the naval guns from the redoubts that they had captured on the reverse side of the Causeway Heights, the hill forming the right side of the valley (from the point of view of the cavalry). Raglan could see what was happening from his high vantage-point on the west of the valley, but Lucan and the cavalry were unaware of what was going on owing to the lie of the land where they were drawn up. The order was drafted by Brigadier Richard Airey and was carried by Captain Louis Edward Nolan, who carried the further oral instruction that the cavalry was to attack immediately. When Lucan asked what guns were referred to, Nolan is said to have indicated, by a wide sweep of his arm, not the Causeway redoubts but the mass of Russian guns in a redoubt at the end of the valley, around a mile away. His reasons for the misdirection is unclear, as he was killed in the ensuing battle.

In response to the order, Lucan instructed Cardigan to lead 673 (some sources state 661; another 607 cavalry men straight into the valley between the Fedyukhin Heights and the Causeway Heights, famously dubbed the "Valley of Death" by the poet Tennyson. The opposing Russian forces were commanded by Pavel Liprandi and included approximately 20 battalions of infantry supported by over fifty artillery pieces. These forces were deployed on both sides and at the opposite end of the valley. Lucan himself was to follow with the Heavy Brigade.

The Light Brigade set off down the valley, with Cardigan out in front leading the charge. Almost at once Nolan was seen to rush across the front, passing in front of Cardigan. It may be that he had then realized the charge was aimed at the wrong target and was attempting to stop or turn the brigade, but he was killed by an artillery shell and the cavalry continued on its course. Despite a withering fire from three sides that devastated their force on the ride, the Light Brigade was able to engage the Russian forces at the end of the valley and force them back from the redoubt, but suffered heavy casualties and was soon forced to retire. The surviving Russian artillerymen returned to their guns and opened fire once again, with grape and canister, indiscriminately at the mêlée of friend and foe before them. Lucan failed to provide any support for Cardigan, and it was speculated that he was motivated by an enmity for his brother-in-law that had lasted some 30 years and had been intensified during the campaign up to that point.[citation needed] The troops of the Heavy Brigade entered the mouth of the valley but did not advance further: Lucan's subsequent explanation was that he saw no point in having a second brigade mown down and that he was best positioned where he was to render assistance to Light Brigade survivors returning from the charge. The French cavalry, the Chasseurs d'Afrique, were more effective in that they broke the Russian line on the Fedyukhin Heights and later provided cover for the remaining elements of the Light Brigade as they withdrew. War correspondent William Russell, who witnessed the battle, declared "our Light Brigade was annihilated by their own rashness, and by the brutality of a ferocious enemy".

The brigade was not completely destroyed, but did suffer terribly, with 118 men killed, 127 wounded and about 60 taken prisoner. After regrouping, only 195 men were still with horses. The futility of the action and its reckless bravery prompted the French Marshal Pierre Bosquet to state "C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre." ("It is magnificent, but it is not war.") He continued, in a rarely quoted phrase: "C'est de la folie" — "it is madness." The Russian commanders are said to have initially believed that the British soldiers must have been drunk
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Do I love the UPCI? No, I do not. I do not love any organization. I do appreciate the foundation the UPCI gave me regarding the oneness and water baptism and the HG baptism. Those things will always be a part of me because they are a part of scripture. In all honesty, the UPCI also gave me a disdain for cronyism, religious politics and unchristian behavior which was justified for the cause of "protecting" truth.

I am not one to "bash" and there are so many different viewpoints on just exactly what that is here, but I will call a spade a spade whenever one is played. It is NEVER right to use unbiblical methods or unbiblical doctrines to further one's cause and I don't care who does it, it is still wrong.

The sad thing is when an org turns a deaf ear and a blinded to any of these things from the General to the District level.

However, I thank God for those men and women who will not compromise what is right and just for their own benefit and there are many in that camp. May their influence within the org make a difference. I have NEVER wanted to see the demise of the UPCI and still don't. Maybe hoping for less politicking in the upper echelons is an impossibility though, I don't know. Leadership comes from the top down and what people see in their leaders, they assume is the way to be and it gets duplicated.
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I guess we can see several things in that.

The Charge of the Light Brigade was a disastrous charge of British cavalry led by Lord Cardigan against Russian forces during the Battle of Balaclava on 25 October 1854 in the Crimean War. It is best remembered as the subject of a famous poem entitled The Charge of the Light Brigade by Alfred, Lord Tennyson, whose lines have made the charge a symbol of warfare at both its most courageous and its most tragic.
The Brit Calvery of that period has always baffeled me. No Army could stand against the British for nearly 50 years but the Calvary was a lark.

Even at Waterloo the Brit Calvery was a misbegotten bunch of dandees who almost lost the whole thing.

They were a brave lot. Just not very smart it seems.
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I love how these trained killers/fighters/military folks bring their military culture, ideas and worldview into their faith life.

Anytime someone is short on patience and high on demands, I always ask if they are former military.
Shouldn't the church be full of every kinds from all walks?
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