You Be The Judge: Afp1996 vs Jason

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Did you call that rabbi yet?

Elder Blume I did google and read many articles and yes many support your theory. But in reading those articles I noticed a common thread actually two:1. the want of acceptance with their peers thus the race idea they think distances them.
2. The underlying fear a Hitler could happen again.
But I did notice several rebutt your theory and I will give you 2
Rabbi Azi Enkin about.comjudaism
Rabbi Isreal Meir Lau judaism 101
There were many others. Particularly older writings.

However the fear and memory of holocast is very real to these people I do understand their mentality never again thus the theory you are purporting.
But my question is You and Elder Burk are brilliant men no one has denied this particularly myself and if I saw the thread in these articles how could y'all not have seen them? Are you so blinded by your theory or are you willingly ignorant?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume I did google and read many articles and yes many support your theory. But in reading those articles I noticed a common thread actually two:1. the want of acceptance with their peers thus the race idea they think distances them.
2. The underlying fear a Hitler could happen again.
But I did notice several rebutt your theory and I will give you 2
Rabbi Azi Enkin about.comjudaism
Rabbi Isreal Meir Lau judaism 101
There were many others. Particularly older writings.

However the fear and memory of holocast is very real to these people I do understand their mentality never again thus the theory you are purporting.
But my question is You and Elder Burk are brilliant men no one has denied this particularly myself and if I saw the thread in these articles how could y'all not have seen them? Are you so blinded by your theory or are you willingly ignorant?

Eld. Epley, it is NOT about a man's article. It is about 'what does the Bible say'? That is what you keep ignoring. You can align any number of men's opinions to support most anything you wish. But how their opinion aligns to God's Word is what matters.

Elder, this is what you have not been able to do. Please, show where the Bible says that Matthew 24:34 speaks of "RACE". That is what you calimed. Please, show us....

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume I did google and read many articles and yes many support your theory. But in reading those articles I noticed a common thread actually two:1. the want of acceptance with their peers thus the race idea they think distances them.
2. The underlying fear a Hitler could happen again.
But I did notice several rebutt your theory and I will give you 2
Rabbi Azi Enkin about.comjudaism
Rabbi Isreal Meir Lau judaism 101
There were many others. Particularly older writings.

However the fear and memory of holocast is very real to these people I do understand their mentality never again thus the theory you are purporting.
But my question is You and Elder Burk are brilliant men no one has denied this particularly myself and if I saw the thread in these articles how could y'all not have seen them? Are you so blinded by your theory or are you willingly ignorant?

Check out the strictest sects of Judaism today and see what they say. I checked out jewsagainstzionism.com and they are strict! If a jewish man does not cover his head, they're out! I saw one explain this to a jew who was not wearing a covering, and the guy simply told the uncovered man he is crazy if he thinks he is a jew. And these jews who have been attacked by people, stand up and say jews are not a race. They are not saying that because they are afraid of any persecution. they're already getting persecution.

So it is the strict religious groups you have to go to.

The only reason I say what I say is from what I read by these Jews. They taught me these things, themselves.

And the fact is that HITLER and ZIONISM invented the "jews are a nation" idea. Biblical Jews reject that based upon scripture. Not a fear of holocaust. So, are YOU willingly ignorant?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Eld. Epley, it is NOT about a man's article. It is about 'what does the Bible say'? That is what you keep ignoring. You can align any number of men's opinions to support most anything you wish. But how their opinion aligns to God's Word is what matters.

Elder, this is what you have not been able to do. Please, show where the Bible says that Matthew 24:34 speaks of "RACE". That is what you calimed. Please, show us....

Yet YOU and Elder Blume quote these as PROOFS and now I call you on these 'proofs' and they mean zip?
I have answered you by your own quote on this verse why quote YOU again. Nation or nationality is race.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Check out the strictest sects of Judaism today and see what they say. I checked out jewsagainstzionism.com and they are strict! If a jewish man does not cover his head, they're out! I saw one explain this to a jew who was not wearing a covering, and the guy simply told the uncovered man he is crazy if he thinks he is a jew. And these jews who have been attacked by people, stand up and say jews are not a race. They are not saying that because they are afraid of any persecution. they're already getting persecution.

So it is the strict religious groups you have to go to.

The only reason I say what I say is from what I read by these Jews. They taught me these things, themselves.

And the fact is that HITLER and ZIONISM invented the "jews are a nation" idea. Biblical Jews reject that based upon scripture. Not a fear of holocaust. So, are YOU willingly ignorant?

Elder Blume in reading those older manuscripts from the turn of the 20th century before the holocast they seem to being saying the opposite. Just reporting you decide. PS Elder Burk said it wasn't racism with Hitler but politcal differences y'all need to get together.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder Blume in reading those older manuscripts from the turn of the 20th century before the holocast they seem to being saying the opposite. Just reporting you decide. PS Elder Burk said it wasn't racism with Hitler but politcal differences y'all need to get together.

I only said Hitler and Zionism created the idea that Jews are a race. I said nothing more.

You need to quote me proofs that show you are correct. I am trying to find where Rabbi Azi Enkin said anything similar to your words, and cannot find it. Again, ask an orthodox rabbi. Not reformed or liberal. Orthodox.

I found NO JEW saying they are a race. Amongst all my research, except "SECULAR" Jews in Zionism. And I looked! Shows me that such an idea is rare amongst Jews.

Again, though, you claimed you are closed-minded to anything about preterism, so how can you ask us if we are willingly ignorant?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yet YOU and Elder Blume quote these as PROOFS and now I call you on these 'proofs' and they mean zip?
I have answered you by your own quote on this verse why quote YOU again. Nation or nationality is race.

So Canadians are a RACE, despite the fact that Canada is a multicultural nation? Canadians are a different race than Americans? Germans are a different race than Belgians?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I only said Hitler and Zionism created the idea that Jews are a race. I said nothing more.

You need to quote me proofs that show you are correct. I am trying to find where Rabbi Azi Enkin said anything similar to your words, and cannot find it. Again, ask an orthodox rabbi. Not reformed or liberal. Orthodox.

I found NO JEW saying they are a race. Amongst all my research, except "SECULAR" Jews in Zionism. And I looked! Shows me that such an idea is rare amongst Jews.

Again, though, you claimed you are closed-minded to anything about preterism, so how can you ask us if we are willingly ignorant?

I will confess to the charge you are correct I am closed minded to preterism or serpent seed or Calvinism or Anglo-Isrealism-annihilation-inclusiveness-faith alone-and severl other false doctrines. I am not the least embarrassed to acknowledge this. However I do like you guys.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So Canadians are a RACE, despite the fact that Canada is a multicultural nation? Canadians are a different race than Americans? Germans are a different race than Belgians?

Elder Blume you know I am NOT saying this.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I will confess to the charge you are correct I am closed minded to preterism or serpent seed or Calvinism or Anglo-Isrealism-annihilation-inclusiveness-faith alone-and severl other false doctrines. I am not the least embarrassed to acknowledge this. However I do like you guys.

I like you, too. However, you cannot talk about someone else being willingly ignorant if you are closed-minded against anything you do not presently believe, for willing ignorance is closed mindedness.