spoken in sincerity bro, glad to have you aboard with the rest of us misfits, lol,dt
Maybe this thread will help blacks and whites, hispanics, others who read it, to have the understanding that the topic of "race and anger" has many sides to it-- many sides that we may never understand fully.
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Maybe this thread will help blacks and whites, hispanics, others who read it, to have the understanding that the topic of "race and anger" has many sides to it-- many sides that we may never understand fully.
i agree bro, i was thinking about that the other day at church , i was praying in the altar with folks, and we have a pretty racially diverse church, especially for wisconsin, i thought hey isnt this funny, here i am a white male, middle aged, i hate to admit and we are here just a crying and praying and hugging all together, that is what being a christian is , loving people, no matter who they are, dt
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I'm not saying I agree. I don't. What I am saying is that IF this is their actual thinking on the matter and not just rhetoric then it could be more of a theological issue then one of racial superiority and/or bigotry. Again, I don't agree with their former position.
Lets just keep in mind, brother, that for centuries to this very day, many racists have tried to use the Bible to provide rhetorical cover for their bigotry.
You may choose to give BJU the benefit of the doubt on this, but I certainly am not inclined to do so.
Peace.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I'm not saying I agree. I don't. What I am saying is that IF this is their actual thinking on the matter and not just rhetoric then it could be more of a theological issue then one of racial superiority and/or bigotry. Again, I don't agree with their former position.
Just a point of clarification- Since this letter they have changed their position on this issue...at least officially.
My exclamation of "BALONEY" was because of their justification for their position, not at you. I know you didn't agree with them.
I didn't know they changed their position "officially". I wonder what prompted that: PC or that their position was Biblically indefensible?
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This was posted Feb 19, 2008 on The Nations of Islam site Reposted from "The Fall of America," 1973
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Four Great Judgments of America
By The Honorable Elijah Muhammad
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The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad
To be plagued with too much rain will destroy property and lives. It swells the rivers and creeks. Too much rain floods cities and towns. Large bodies of water at the ocean shore lines will be made to swell with unusually high waves, dumping billions of tons of water over the now seashore line.
Rain destroys property and kills cattle by drowning them in low lands. Rain destroys the hiding places of vicious beasts and reptiles bringing them out fighting in small towns in peoples’ homes and farms.
Rain weakens and destroys railroads, truck line beds and bridges. Rain undermines foundations of all types of buildings. Rain makes the atmosphere too heavy with moisture causing sickness.
Wind with rain can bring destruction to towns and cities, bringing various germs, causing sickness to the people. It produces unclean water by the swelling of streams and destroying reservoirs of pure drinking water used for the health of the people. Rain is a destructive army within itself. Hail stones are also a property and life destroyer.
Snow is of the most dreaded plague when it comes in great drifts from five to thirty-five feet. It buries your property and lives. It destroys your highways, your cities, and your concrete and gravel in towns and cities. It puts a great burden of expense upon the cities. It puts a great burden of expense upon the city to repair it. The cave-in of roofs of homes, the cutting off of homes, the cutting off of transportation, isolating areas, brings about starvation. And communication is destroyed with the icing of communication wires.
Snow looks pretty because of its clean look. Almost everything of nature is beautiful, but it can be turned into death and destruction against man.
Snow is prophesied to be one of the weapons that God will use against the wicked (America), Job 38:22, 23. Hail also is mentioned in the same two verses, where God plainly tells us that He has preserved it against the time of trouble, against the day of the battle and war.
The Holy Qur’an also teaches us that God used snow, rain, wind, hail, earthquakes and fire against former wicked people.
Is America any better than the people we read about in the history that God destroyed? No, she is not as good. These people were not as wicked as the American people.
Earthquakes can destroy towns and cities instantly. America is in the grip of divine judgment. America is in the position toward her once slave, so-called Negro, as Pharaoh was with Israel as his slave. She is in this position because of the injustice done to the American so-called Negro slave, brought to America over four hundred years ago, and refuses to let them go free.
They only say that you are free, knowing within that you are not able to leave them without anything. But the injustice continues to increase. Now they plan death.
So this God was predicted by the prophets to come to the defense of this people (so-called Negroes) in the last days after they served the enemy for four hundred years. The Bible declares Abraham in Genesis that God would judge the people to whom his people (Abraham’s) would be in bondage.
This does not mean Israel. This means the present Black people, the members of their Black nation, who have and are fulfilling their prophecy.
God, in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad, will not be defeated. The more evil, deceiving, tricking and making of false promises to the American so-called Negro only increases America’s divine chastisement -- doom.
America knows that her trouble lies in her mistreatment of the Black man, the so-called Negro, but she is too wicked to give up tricking the Negro and deceiving him on false promises. She just cannot stop. The opportunity is too open, and she thinks that there is no one to hinder her.
But God has chosen us to be His people, and He delights in fighting the enemy. According to the history of the former people, He delighted Himself by going forth against them when they exceeded the limit. So it is with America.
They must be separated. America will not agree to see the Negro separated from her until she has suffered divine punishment, as Pharaoh suffered. The same thing that other evil nations suffered before them is now coming upon this people.
She seeks to keep her slaves robbed of opportunity and wealth. She envies success coming to American Negro free slaves. She charges them high prices to keep them down. She deceives them through a few of what we call "Uncle Toms" in the political circle, clergy class and all professional classes.
She offers them little favoritism to help her work against their own people -- the Black people. But they, too, will suffer along with the enemy of justice of the poor so-called Negro.
They must be separated. Envy and hatred are growing between the two people, regardless of their preachings of social integration. The truth must come.
What is better than the program you find I have written. You two (Black and white) cannot get along in peace since you never have gotten along in peace.
Do you know why the white American does not like to talk with you about separation, and why he calls separation of the two people the wrong solution for peace between the people? He knows that it is promised and that God will do it. Then, why do they not agree with separating themselves from you and me, and we from them? Why are the Black man and white man all over the earth now in disagreement with each other to live in peace? Do you know why?
Oh, foolish American so-called Negro, seek some of this earth that you can call your own to live on in peace. Unite and ask the government for a portion of America.
This is what we need -- somewhere to live to ourselves and let the white man live to himself. The two people are not brothers. They are alien to each other. God did not make them brothers to each other.
I ask you, my brother and sister, to learn this and learn it quickly and fly for your life to the refuge of Allah. Come follow me.
Lets just keep in mind, brother, that for centuries to this very day, many racists have tried to use the Bible to provide rhetorical cover for their bigotry.
You may choose to give BJU the benefit of the doubt on this, but I certainly am not inclined to do so.
Peace.
This doesn't prove racism. This may or might not be the case. I'm just trying to represent and understand their position accurately.
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My exclamation of "BALONEY" was because of their justification for their position, not at you. I know you didn't agree with them.
I didn't know they changed their position "officially". I wonder what prompted that: PC or that their position was Biblically indefensible?
It's my understanding that they changed their official position about 2001. I hope it was based on a clearer understanding of Scripture but I don't know.
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This doesn't prove racism. This may or might not be the case. I'm just trying to represent and understand their position accurately.
Indeed. I'm not saying it proves racism one way or the other. I'm just stating that it has been typical of religious racists to use the Bible to justify a racist position.
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It's my understanding that they changed their official position about 2001. I hope it was based on a clearer understanding of Scripture but I don't know.
A skeptical mind might think they changed their position in 2001 because of all the heat they took over the issue in 2000.
I'm not saying I'm a skeptic but...
well, maybe I am.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
Indeed. I'm not saying it proves racism one way or the other. I'm just stating that it has been typical of religious racists to use the Bible to justify a racist position.
A skeptical mind might think they changed their position in 2001 because of all the heat they took over the issue in 2000.
I'm not saying I'm a skeptic but...
well, maybe I am.
Understand.
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