David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision - Page 29

dizzyde · #**281** 03-03-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

From what went on last year at Youth Conf. they definitely need to control what goes on.

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

What went on last year that was so bad? I hear from people that were there that it was awesome.

Dan, I'm told the new guy is a company man. I don't know him personally, that's just what I'm told by some who do know him.

It was awesome!

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Originally Posted by Encryptus

Sorry to ask. For those of us who weren't there. What happened at last year's youth conference?

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

It was all over the forums.

Stepping (dancing)
Jeremy Foster
Dora
the music
and on and on

Just so you know you are getting it from the authority on the matter...

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

What's wrong with Jeremy Foster??????????????????

Nothing is wrong with him, oh, except if you mean fantastic services and kids receiving the Holy Ghost in droves. If that is a problem for you? (Obviously not you CP, you know I am being tic!)

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

The music is the most current music and being sung in A LOT of Churches....(it's not really all my style but it's ok)

YC was very "youthy" I don't know how else to explain it....the kids LOVED it.

I remember when i was on the IL Youth Board, we went to an AG District Youth Conference to check it out....I remember the kids being in jeans, the speakers being casual, the music being current and everything seeming 'relevant' to the teenagers....

Then you went to our National Youth Congress and we were singing old songs...everyone was wearing suits....and it was more like regular church...

This is what we dealt with in the WD, when we updated our YC to actually minister to the YOUTH (novel concept). We had all the old-time preachers complaining about it being too loud, and not liking the music. It was like, um... it's not SUPPOSED to appeal to old people, it is YOUTH convention!

Just imagine the horror when we brought in screens and power point and concert lighting.... Fun times.

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

Were you there?
It was NOT a rock concert.
The power of God fell on that stadium, and the musicians couldn't keep playing, the singers couldn't keep singing and I saw over 15,000 people on their knees before God....

AMEN!! As a matter of fact I was there, and witnessed (and experienced) one of the most powerful moves of God I have ever seen. The Spirit was moving from the floor to the rafters.

I guess that all means nothing because the praise singers were dancing before the Lord.

Wait, isn't there something in the Bible about that? Oh, I guess it only counts if you are jerking uncontrollably and shrieking.

Btw, the praise singers at several times were also so overwhelmed that they fell to their knees weeping and couldn't even continue singing.

But, you know, it was all worldly and bad.

dizzyde · #**282** 03-03-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Keep in mind that the guys who fly a lot are probably getting upgraded from coach for free based on frequent flyer miles.

Surely they have travel policies in place that restrict paid airfare to coach. If not that is inexcusable.

That is a fact, my dad had never flown first class in his life until the last 6 or 7 years, it is only because of his frequent flier status that he frequently gets bumped up to First. He would NEVER pay for a first class ticket.

DividedThigh · #**283** 03-03-2008, 02:15 PM

our kids from our church were at the nyc they loved it, seemed to have had a great time, didnt say anything bout anything they were upset or offended by, except maybe some of the old people complainin, lol, just kidding, dt

A_PoMo · #**284** 03-03-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzyde

AMEN!! As a matter of fact I was there, and witnessed (and experienced) one of the most powerful moves of God I have ever seen. The Spirit was moving from the floor to the rafters.

I guess that all means nothing because the praise singers were dancing before the Lord.

Wait, isn't there something in the Bible about that? Oh, I guess it only counts if you are jerking uncontrollably and shrieking.

Btw, the praise singers at several times were also so overwhelmed that they fell to their knees weeping and couldn't even continue singing.

But, you know, it was all worldly and bad.

yeah, this is what I heard about it. Plus people were very excited about local efforts to help people in the local community. I'm told that the musicians fasted and prayed together for several weeks before the event. I don't know, that all seems pretty good evidence of good things going on w/the Youth Dept. To try to put a damper on that is criminal in my opinion. I know one progressive who in my august opinion is GS material given another couple decades of seasoning who was very happy to see what happened there. But the reaction to it has very much depressed him. This new edict will depress him further I"m sure. His wife is ready to leave the UPC because she's so fed up with this kind of backwards thinking. He's almost there too. If this couple were to leave, and many of their friends, it would be a tragedy to the UPC in my opinion. This is the kind of damage this sort of conservative thinking has. It squashes vision and tells people that if they try something new they'll be smacked even if it works and God approves. That's bad.

dizzyde · #**285** 03-03-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by A_PoMo

yeah, this is what I heard about it. Plus people were very excited about local efforts to help people in the local community. I'm told that the musicians fasted and prayed together for several weeks before the event. I don't know, that all seems pretty good evidence of good things going on w/the Youth Dept. To try to put a damper on that is criminal in my opinion. I know one progressive who in my august opinion is GS material given another couple decades of seasoning who was very happy to see what happened there. But the reaction to it has very much depressed him. This new edict will depress him further I"m sure. His wife is ready to leave the UPC because she's so fed up with this kind of backwards thinking. He's almost there too. If this couple were to leave, and many of their friends, it would be a tragedy to the UPC in my opinion. This is the kind of damage this sort of conservative thinking has. It squashes vision and tells people that if they try something new they'll be smacked even if it works and God approves. That's bad.

This is tragic, and there are a lot of things going on like this. The thing is, if you are progressive thinking at all, generally you have enough going on at your church locally that you don't really need the organization except for fellowship.

The problem is, as my brother says, "we don't really need the organization, but the organization needs us." Not in an egotistic sort of way, but collectively. We need the fellowship, and at this point, we see no more effective way of reaching the world. And we have historically been big missions givers, our pastors really do believe this is more effective than trying to do it on our own.

Stephanas · #**286** 03-03-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

On child is adult (19) and it want be too long and the other will be also.

I have a problem with being charged to go to church.

General Conference sessions are not "church."

They're infomercials with a devotional tacked on the end.

I'll bet that you charge members 10% of their income to go to your church.

General Conference is for members.

Why would any member balk at paying their share of the conference expense?

Whole Hearted · #**287** 03-03-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephanas

General Conference sessions are not "church."

They're infomercials with a devotional tacked on the end.

I'll bet that you charge members 10% of their income to go to your church.

General Conference is for members.

Why would any member balk at paying their share of the conference expense?

I also pay tithes plus budget fee and now they want more. Well they won't be getting any more from me, they can have GC.

StillStanding · #**288** 03-03-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I also pay tithes plus budget fee and now they want more. Well they won't be getting any more from me, they can have GC.

Out of curiosity, where would you suggest the money come from to pay the expenses of having the GC?

Spend one hour each service to take an offering for conference expenses?
Have headquarters lay off the entire staff for two weeks, and pay with the savings?
Have a giant peanut brittle sale?
Raffle off tickets to the Holy Land?
Sell broadcasting rights to TBN?

ChicagoPastor · #**289** 03-03-2008, 07:27 PM

Does anyone know if the AG charge for their General Conference? How about COJIC?

dizzyde · #**290** 03-03-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I also pay tithes plus budget fee and now they want more. Well they won't be getting any more from me, they can have GC.

HQ's response;

Since all that you would do would be to tear it to shreds afterwards anyway. You don't seem to have anything good to say about anything the organization does.