Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Remember, the first/last, Alpha/Omega also said this in the same book....



12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.





Right, the independent man Christ Jesus had the Col 2:9 effect on him, and since almighty God inside of him did not take away his independence,
God speaks through him.

So Paul said be ye filled with the Holy Ghost.

Col 2:9 is being filled with the godhead. Would that be the Holy Ghost and something else?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sean

Fact is, oneness does not believe that every bit of God indwells Jesus, but only the "qualities" of God.

They strip Col 2:9 down, along with the trins, to keep God outside of Jesus.

If they actually believed the verse as the Apostles wrote it, then they would be forced to believe my way.

You have got to be kidding me. You obviously have no idea what Oneness is or means. "To keep god outside of Jesus"? We believe there is no God except Jesus Christ. You believe Jesus is somebody OTHER than God and not God. You also believe "Jesus is (a) god". You believe in two gods, as has been amply proven by your own statements all over this forum. What has also been proven is your inability or unwillingness to even read the things you reply to. You think we are saying "Jesus is God and is not the Son of God" but you obviously did not bother reading anything I actually wrote. I and all other Oneness believers acknowledge Jesus is the Son, that He acknowledges the Father as His God, that He was raised from the dead by God, that He was exalted by God, that God was in Him, that the fullness of Deity dwells in Him BODILY. even though I very clearly and deliberately affirmed all those things and more in previous posts, including the very one you quoted and responded to.

This is why most of us do not take you seriously, Sean. You do not interact with the data, you do not interact with what people actually say. You simply have this idea in your head about what we believe, and like Sir Quixote you charge those windmills and rescue the screaming lady in distress and are blissfully unaware you are simply making a mess of yourself.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You have got to be kidding me. You obviously have no idea what Oneness is or means. "To keep god outside of Jesus"? We believe there is no God except Jesus Christ. You believe Jesus is somebody OTHER than God and not God. You also believe "Jesus is (a) god". You believe in two gods, as has been amply proven by your own statements all over this forum. What has also been proven is your inability or unwillingness to even read the things you reply to. You think we are saying "Jesus is God and is not the Son of God" but you obviously did not bother reading anything I actually wrote. I and all other Oneness believers acknowledge Jesus is the Son, that He acknowledges the Father as His God, that He was raised from the dead by God, that He was exalted by God, that God was in Him, that the fullness of Deity dwells in Him BODILY. even though I very clearly and deliberately affirmed all those things and more in previous posts, including the very one you quoted and responded to.

This is why most of us do not take you seriously, Sean. You do not interact with the data, you do not interact with what people actually say. You simply have this idea in your head about what we believe, and like Sir Quixote you charge those windmills and rescue the screaming lady in distress and are blissfully unaware you are simply making a mess of yourself.

No, this is why I take YOU GUYS seriously, Esaias.

You guys teach that Jesus is NOT omnipresent, so ONLY the "qualities" of God can fit inside him, and NOT the fullness of the Godhead, bodily.


You guys teach that exactly.

I wish I could laugh off your doctrine concerning this fact, but I cannot.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So Paul said be ye filled with the Holy Ghost.

Col 2:9 is being filled with the godhead. Would that be the Holy Ghost and something else?

No sir, the Holy Ghost infilling is not the Col 2:9 effect on you and I.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

No sir, the Holy Ghost infilling is not the Col 2:9 effect on you and I.

Does anyone on this forum think this....



9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.



Can apply to the saints like this?....



9 For in YOU AND I dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[Sean]

If not, why not?

Because we are not omnipresent?


Right.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

No sir, the Holy Ghost infilling is not the Col 2:9 effect on you and I.

But aren’t we called the Body of Christ?

[Sean]

Do YOU believe all of the fullness of the Godhead dwells in you, bodily, DB?

[Sean]

Is anyone here saying that they can have the Col 2:9 effect happen to them?

If it could, would it require them to be omnipresent?

Or can God only fill them with His "qualities" and that is enough?

[Sean]

I just debated a trin friend on CARM yesterday etc., that teaches the non-omnipresent Jesus and strips down Col 2:9 identically as oneness does.



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