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07-30-2007, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
The United Pentecostal Church teaches: They say you get Baptized for all of your sins. They say Jesus has two natures. Two wills and two personalites.
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Good Grief.....no we do not say Jesus has two personalities.....
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07-30-2007, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
Prax, myself and also DA in a round about way answered your question with a unanomous voice.
Jesus was in every way made like unto his bretheren. That included the propensity to sin. He overcame through combat, struggle, through temptation with sin to become victorous over that temptation to sin by the unlimited Holy Ghost that dwelt within himself from birth.
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Bro. Strange,
Come on, now. That in no wise answered the specific question of whether Christ was actually "tempted" to do the things Satan asked Him to do.
Simple question: Was Jesus tempted (desirous of) to do the very things Satan was tempting Him with?
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07-30-2007, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
But not only did Satan Tempt Jesus the bible says Jesus was tempted in all points just like us....big difference between saying someone tempted him or tested him and Him being tempted like us...
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires.
Jas 1:15 Then when desire conceives, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is full grown, it gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Do not be led astray, my dear brothers and sisters.
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Okay. Did Jesus then, being tempted, desire to yield to those temptations?
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07-30-2007, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Good Grief.....no we do not say Jesus has two personalities.....
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Good grief, indeed.
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07-31-2007, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Good Grief.....no we do not say Jesus has two personalities.....
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Prax, is that all you see? He says those who don't have the divine flesh doctrine and are already baptized in Jesus name has to be re-baptized.
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07-31-2007, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by rrford
Bro. Strange,
Come on, now. That in no wise answered the specific question of whether Christ was actually "tempted" to do the things Satan asked Him to do.
Simple question: Was Jesus tempted (desirous of) to do the very things Satan was tempting Him with?
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But Jesus WAS tempted. There are two different things..Satan tempting or testing Jesus and Jesus himself being tempted. See my posts and verses
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-31-2007, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
But not only did Satan Tempt Jesus the bible says Jesus was tempted in all points just like us....big difference between saying someone tempted him or tested him and Him being tempted like us...
Jas 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires.
Jas 1:15 Then when desire conceives, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is full grown, it gives birth to death.
Jas 1:16 Do not be led astray, my dear brothers and sisters.
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Amen, Prax...
In all points.
Actually, I believe that he was tempted in some way right up to the time he finally surrendered to the Father's will to go to the cross. I believe even in the garden he was tempted of his flesh to avoid the cross and save his own life. But, he overcame and finally surrendered his own will to that of his Father's.
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07-31-2007, 12:02 AM
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Prax, I love you and Elder Strange,and I'll study this out some more.
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07-31-2007, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Prax, is that all you see? He says those who don't have the divine flesh doctrine and are already baptized in Jesus name has to be re-baptized.
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No but it stood out...often when I see such a gross misrepresentation like that I lose interest in the rest...besides it's rather long and I don't feel like doing a running commentary on the entire thing. Was there anything more specific about it you wanted addressed?
The part about re-baptism? Yes I noticed that....ironic since DA was saying certain people here were excluding them from salvation hmmmm
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-31-2007, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
But Jesus WAS tempted. There are two different things..Satan tempting or testing Jesus and Jesus himself being tempted. See my posts and verses
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Now I want to bang my head against the wall. I saw your post and now it seems you are saying He had no desire to yield (which means, according to you, it could not be called temptation.) Man, you are confusing your own answers here. Above you are maing the very point of what I have been saying. I told you it was all semantica dn hard to discuss such a subject in this venue.
Simple yes or no, please: Did Jesus desire to do the things Satan tempted Him with?
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