Show Me the Money - Page 28

J-Roc · #**271** 07-11-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

No I don't think so...however with you I am a little hesitant to say that least the reply is something about my pre-conceived notion about people with a lot of money. I think the Pastor or a church board should use most of that money for other things.

Good, then we are in agreement. That's what this has been about.

Praxeas · #**272** 07-11-2007, 09:06 PM

Can someone who read what DA posted give me a summary please?

SDG · #**273** 07-12-2007, 02:11 AM

In a nutshell ... chapters 1 and 2 show that the heart of God's rebuke is directed at the mishandling of tithes by the priests and other abhorrent activities they were in engaging in ... The first five verses of Malachi 3 ... give clear evidence of Gods wrath towards the sons of Levi ... what He will do... and why he will judge them ... the "man" who has robbed God ... is them.

Praxeas · #**274** 07-12-2007, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

In a nutshell ... chapters 1 and 2 show that the heart of God's rebuke is directed at the mishandling of tithes by the priests and other abhorrent activities they were in engaging in ... The first five verses of Malachi 3 ... give clear evidence of Gods wrath towards the sons of Levi ... what He will do... and why he will judge them ... the "man" who has robbed God ... is them.

But it also says the offering of Judah and Jerusalem. Clearly this chapter is not aimed soley at the Levites. God says they were to bring the tithes into His store house. In fact it says the whole nation is guilty

Mal 3:1 "I am about to send my messenger, who will clear the way before me. Indeed, the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his temple, and the messenger of the covenant, whom you long for, is certainly coming," says the sovereign Lord.
Mal 3:2 Who can endure the day of his coming? Who can keep standing when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire, like a launderer's soap.
Mal 3:3 He will act like a refiner and purifier of silver and will cleanse the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then they will offer the Lord a proper offering.
Mal 3:4 The gift of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the Lord as in former times and years past.
Mal 3:5 "I will come to you in judgment. I will be quick to testify against those who practice divination, those who commit adultery, those who break promises, and those who exploit workers, widows, and orphans, who refuse to help the immigrant and in this way show they do not fear me," says the sovereign Lord.
Mal 3:6 "Since, I, the Lord, do not go back on my promises, you, sons of Jacob, have not perished.
Mal 3:7 From the days of your ancestors you have ignored my commandments and have not kept them! Return to me, and I will return to you," says the sovereign Lord. "But you say, 'How should we return?'
Mal 3:8 Can a person rob God? You indeed are robbing me, but you say, 'How are we robbing you?' In tithes and contributions!
Mal 3:9 You are bound for judgment because you are robbing me — this whole nation is guilty.
Mal 3:10 "Bring the entire tithe into the storehouse so that there may be food in my temple. Test me in this matter," says the sovereign Lord, "to see if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until there is no room for it all.
Mal 3:11 Then I will stop the plague from ruining your crops, and the vine will not lose its fruit before harvest," says the sovereign Lord.
Mal 3:12 "All nations will call you happy, for you indeed will live in a delightful land," says the sovereign Lord.
Mal 3:13 "You have criticized me sharply," says the Lord, "but you ask, 'How have we criticized you?'
Mal 3:14 You have said, 'It is useless to serve God. How have we been helped by keeping his requirements and going about like mourners before him?
Mal 3:15 So now we consider the arrogant to be happy; indeed, those who practice evil are successful. In fact, those who challenge God escape.' "
Mal 3:16 Then those who respect the Lord spoke to one another, and the Lord took notice. A scroll was prepared before him in which were recorded the names of those who respect the Lord and honor his name.
Mal 3:17 "They will belong to me," says the sovereign Lord, "in the day when I prepare my own property. I will spare them as a man spares his son who serves him.
Mal 3:18 Then once more you will see that I make a distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between the one who serves God and the one

J-Roc · #**275** 07-12-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Jroc...

Don't show me the money....show me the scriptures.

Deuteronomy 14:24-26 shows a clear example of the tithe and money being two distinct entities.

"But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. "

Note that the tithe mentioned here is eaten in the presence of the Lord, so obviously, the tithe is not money since people do not eat money.

Steve Epley · #**276** 07-12-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can someone who read what DA posted give me a summary please?

In summary I hate the preacher and I hope he has to slip hamburgers on the side to support him and when I order I will make him recook it.

That is my take. His "treastise" is flawed from beginning to end.

J-Roc · #**277** 07-12-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Jroc...

Don't show me the money....show me the scriptures.

In Leviticus 27 where it discusses redeeming dedicated items, Jewish people had the opportunity to redeem the tithe with the monetary value of it, plus an additional 20 percent of that value. Money is not required from the Lord as a tithe, but rather, the required items are produce and livestock. Mizpeh, what does the Lord require today that is in an individual's possession and can be redeemed with money? Are tithers receiving wheat or corn in return for money, or a dedicated person, field or house? The problem is that Christians hand over money and call it a tithe...but as recorded in Leviticus 27:30-31, when an individual gives the priest money, that person receives something tangible in return with 20% interest.

Leviticus 27:30-31 - "'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD. If a man redeems any of his tithe, he must add a fifth of the value to it."

#**278** 07-12-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Isn't it amazing however ... how some think there is a modern class of Levites in the church today????

They teach tithing as if they were Levites ...
but won't compensate the other Levites such as musicians for their work in the house of the Lord ...

and they hand down pastorships to their sons and sons-in-laws as if they were part of a Levitical lineage ... with no or little concern to being Spirit-led or .... whether or not Junior Levite is qualified or not.

I certainly understand what you are saying here. I am disgusted at what I see among the ministry in these days of oppulence. However, you may rest assured that God will surely judge the ministry (the house of the Levite) as certainly as he will the recalcitrant.

A worldly loving Preacher wallowing in his oppulence, even if he has no T.V. (which seems to be the standard) is going to meet up with Melchezidec and it will not be pretty. There will be a slaughter, but not of kings but of the Priest. The Priesthood has certain responsibilities with the money that comes into his hands far beyond and not primarily his OWN financial well being.

No wonder I sensed a change. The stock market is going through the clouds, the economy is flushed with money, but the priests and levites are deaf, dumb and blind and do not know it. I hear so much preaching that is preceeded with words such as, "I've heard from God and I am going to preach what He has laid on my heart." Not long into the preaching, it becomes quite evident that he has heard nothing but his own vain imaginations.

Then, I express a lamentation over the state of spiritual affairs. What then follows is more than a thousands responses on two different threads. Is the city completely empty? Did the destroyer come and take away EVERY SOUL into captivity to a strange land? I yell throughout once busy streets, now empty..."Hello out there...are there any left in the city...hello!!!!!!!!!! Answer me...anyone!

OK... again, 'nuff said.