Donald Trump 666 to usher in the Mark of the Beast - Page 28

Esaias · #**271** 01-08-2018, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Simple, we are included in the promise to future national Israel in verse 15 of chapter 10.(per chapter 8)

My King James Bible says nothing about any "future national" anything. Nor does it say anything about somebody being "included in national Israel".

What it DOES say is that God had promised He would make a new covenant with both the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And it says that new covenant was established through the cross of Jesus.

Therefore your Zionist Judeo-Dispensationalist balderdash can take a long hike down a short plank.

TGBTG · #**272** 01-08-2018, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Amanah etc.

Read Hebrews 10:15-17 and explain it.

Especially the first verse.

Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Simple, we are included in the promise to future national Israel in verse 15 of chapter 10.(per chapter 8)

Heb 8-10 is saying that the new covenant prophecy spoken of in Jeremiah 31 was fulfilled and set in motion by Christ.

If you cannot see that, you either do not understand grammar or cognitive dissonance is kicking in.

houston · #**273** 01-08-2018, 08:07 PM

Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Sean · #**274** 01-08-2018, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Heb 8-10 is saying that the new covenant prophecy spoken of in Jeremiah 31 was fulfilled and set in motion by Christ.

If you cannot see that, you either do not understand grammar or cognitive dissonance is kicking in.

Please post the passage and elaborate on it. Especially the latter part of Hebrews 8 that is speaking about Israel.
Thanks.

Sean · #**275** 01-08-2018, 09:22 PM

Is this speaking of the church today?.....

Hebrews 8....
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Or is it speaking to future national Israel?

Sean · #**276** 01-08-2018, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias

My King James Bible says nothing about any "future national" anything. Nor does it say anything about somebody being "included in national Israel".

What it DOES say is that God had promised He would make a new covenant with both the house of Israel and the house of Judah. And it says that new covenant was established through the cross of Jesus.

Therefore your Zionist Judeo-Dispensationalist balderdash can take a long hike down a short plank.

Your KJV Bible says nothing BUT future Israel in the OT.
It is ridiculous to think the church replaced Judah and Israel.

Sean · #**277** 01-08-2018, 10:25 PM

More of your KJV Bible speaking of future national Israel.....

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Sean · #**278** 01-08-2018, 10:30 PM

.....this surely is not speaking of the church.

Evang.Benincasa · #**279** 01-09-2018, 12:26 AM

Wow, guess what Sean?

You are wrong once again.

Future national Israel?

So where does the Bible say that the Law system will be reinstated with a new Levitical priesthood? Hebrews doesn’t mention anything about that. You must be getting too soaked in prayer.

TGBTG · #**280** 01-09-2018, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Please post the passage and elaborate on it. Especially the latter part of Hebrews 8 that is speaking about Israel.
Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean

Is this speaking of the church today?.....

Hebrews 8....
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Or is it speaking to future national Israel?

You keep retorting with "future national Israel" and "replacement theology", which are typical responses from dispensationalists. Been there, done that...

I don't know if you will get convinced by my response to you because:

1. As a previous subscriber to God having a "separate plan for the church & Israel" myself, I know that your reading of scriptures is already marred with the theology. Thus, you already have on the "dispensational" lenses on when reading old testament scriptures

2. Cognitive dissonance kicks in and you'll either rationalize and interpret scripture in such a way to maintain your belief OR re-read scripture and come to a different conclusion.

Having said that, I'll elaborate per your request.
Please, respond to the "Do you agree" interjections included in my write-up.

First, starting with Jer 31:31-34

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I believe one thing that needs to be established is that Jer 31:31-34 was a prophecy to Israel. In other words, the new covenant Jeremiah spoke of would be fulfilled at a time future from Jeremiah's period.
Do you agree with this conclusion?