Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongues

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by w4yne

You give yourself way to much credit. But better you than me.

How does my statement have anything to do with giving myself too much credit? lol

Dude, you exalted yourself every chance you had. Again, watch and see if I am right or not.

[w4yne]

Originally Posted by mfblume

How does my statement have anything to do with giving myself too much credit? lol

Dude, you exalted yourself every chance you had. Again, watch and see if I am right or not.

You do not see me complaining about it do you?
I think what is happening is marvelous.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by w4yne

You do not see me complaining about it do you?
I think what is happening is marvelous.

That's because you do not love what should be loved... brethren in unity. You love division. You are those whom we mark. Some children get attention by acting out. You be the dude that do that stuff. You got attention even if it was through being a bother. You have your reward.

[covey]

Originally Posted by w4yne

If I were to read through this thread and pick out all the errors and flaws in your doctrine and theology and point them out to you...
would you be offended and hate me or would you be grateful and reward me for helping you to know that to which is not true in what you believe?

I would be grateful. Please criticize anything I have written. This is a debate forum and let us debate and understand there is no need to be offended with civil defense of our doctrine.

If your post was meant to insinuate I offended someone ,by attacking someone's character, I would be grateful for you pointing it out. I don't believe I have done this, but if I have, I would want to know about it so I could apologize for it and repent of it. Other than that, I don't know why you think someone who said I was in error and me responding they were in error should be offensive to either of us. We are debating. Do you not understand what it means to debate?

[w4yne]

Originally Posted by covey

Baptism is done for uniting the sinner with the forgiver of sins; Jesus Christ

How did they become separated in the first place?

[w4yne]

Originally Posted by covey

When we are baptized in the name of Jesu Christ, we are united with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection. (Rom 6:3-10)

Then how do you account for this written in the bible
to which contradicts this here you have stated?

Acts
Chapter 10

44 While Peter yet spake these words,
the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out
the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues,
and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

[w4yne]

Originally Posted by covey

Jesus had no need to repent and be baptized in His own repentance, because He had no sin, but, when he was baptized by John, he was baptized into our repentance, being buried and together and united with us in our (man's) repentance and confession of sin. Jesus submitted to john's baptism, so he could took take on our sin and carry it to cross, where the sins of all that repent are nailed with him on the cross. (Mark 1:4-5).

Mark 1:4-5 John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.

Then how do you account for this written in the bible
to which contradicts this here you have stated?

Mark
Chapter 10

38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask:
can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized
with the baptism that I am baptized with?

39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them,
Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism
that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

[w4yne]

Originally Posted by covey

Ron, John 3:8 "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

A lot of people don't know this, but the Greek word for "sound" in this verse ishōnē. It literally translates a sound that can come from inanimate things like the wind, but when it comes from animate things, like a person, the sound comes from the voice and tongue of that person. Therefore, Jesus told Nicodemus, EVERYONE born of the Spirit will hear the sound of their voice that comes from speech. The books of Acts confirmns this sound is speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance.

Definition of phōnē:
1) a sound, a tone
A) of inanimate things, as musical instruments

2) a voice
A)of the sound of uttered words

3) speech
A) of a language, tongue

Aee above. We can rule out #1, However, #2 and #3 clearly explain where the sound comes from and how it is spoken when we are born of the Spirit.

How come you do not believe
that the sound of tongues can be counterfeited by the evil spirits?

[w4yne]

Originally Posted by covey

the Spirit is present in EVERYONE who is born of the Spirit.

What Spirit?

[w4yne]

Originally Posted by covey

There is a misunderstanding here. I know the Spirit was not given until the day of Pentecost. Therefore, I am not, nor would claim otherwise.

This is incorrect. For one it was given to Jesus.