Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

[shazeep]

If one's heart is 'right', one's life will be conformed to the Word of God. Thus, if one's heart is 'right', one will obey the gospel in the way the apostles preached it.

i would not disagree with either of these, but what will happen is that when you are done, billions of people will stand condemned by you because they may not have conformed to your definitions in some manner, and not because they did not understand sacrifice.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

If one's heart is 'right', one's life will be conformed to the Word of God. Thus, if one's heart is 'right', one will obey the gospel in the way the apostles preached it.

i would not disagree with either of these, but what will happen is that when you are done, billions of people will stand condemned by you because they may not have conformed to your definitions in some manner, and not because they did not understand sacrifice.

It's not our definitions of anything that save anyone. It's what the bible teaches that must be believed and obeyed.. It's not black.

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Shazeep, reconcile these two passages:

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

And...

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

[shazeep]

One's heart cannot be right while their life or actions are wrong.

what does that have to do with "All Catholics are lost?" sorry, but no one is disputing this

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep, reconcile these two passages:

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

And...

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

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It's a matter of what faith in the cross means.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

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It's a matter of what faith in the cross means.

it might be best if you post your defense of 'all catholics are lost' in the poll, and maybe we can get some broader perspective here, ok?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

it might be best if you post your defense of 'all catholics are lost' in the poll, and maybe we can get some broader perspective here, ok?

Already posted my point I asked of you here, although here is where the issue arose.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep, reconcile these two passages:

"And because of their (the Jews) saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger- they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain. But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise."

And...

Joh 19:17-18 KJV And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

I'm not even going to bother showing you how irrational your statement is, because I honestly do not believe you would recognise rationality

no, of course you arent. why not give it a go just for form then.

lol

Yer funny.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

lol

Yer funny.

i'm waiting