Rockets hitting Jerusalem

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

So...sort of like how they want to create a Palestine State?"

(sure. or how any nation--absent the Native Americans, i guess--desire to create a state that removes God from the picture. 1Sam8. Rockets hitting Jerusalem is just the fruit of this, imo.)

So you believe many of the Hamas militants will be in heaven with Christians?
(God judges a person's heart, Prax--not what religion they say they are. yes, assuming there are any Christians in heaven )

So you are a Universalist?
(that is just some label, that can only divide us further. if you look into why you asked that Q, the irrelevance of the A becomes clearer. I'm sure i would find reason to lob grenades at their doctrines as well)

you are welcome to your opinion


MS-13 are not from Mexico or Mexicans but that is an obfuscation to the point. It's far fetched to assume many of Hamas are innocent to the real intentions and actions of Hamas..

(i definitely agree. as to ms13, yes, i should have said 'latinos-' but the point there holds true for any nation of people. generalizing, one would be hard-pressed to call latinos 'war-like.' Their babies are not born aspiring to become heroin addicts, and violent anti-socialists; they are driven to it, just like Hamas. It is the wrong reaction, which reveals their premises, even if it is an understandable reaction from their pov.)



At this point the cause is really irrelevant. In fact that is why there is so much war. Everyone is looking backwards to a cause and not forwards to peace and a solution.

a valid point. but we cry 'peace' when there is war. I came not to bring peace, but a sword.

[Pressing-On]

Hillary interviewed by Jorge Ramos who claims to be bipartisan. LOL!

This is just an amazingly stupid comment by her. Finding a way out for Gaza. She is deceptively good at what she does. The best I have seen. She can say, "Israel has the right to defend itself", while actually taking the side of Hamas.

HILLARY: The problem is – and I’m not a military planner, but Hamas puts its missiles, its rockets in civilian areas. Part of is that Gaza is pretty small and it’s very densely populated. They put their command and control in those civilian areas.

http://therightscoop.com/hillary-cli...-a-cease-fire/

So, her excuse for Hamas putting it's rockets in civilian places is because Gaza is so small, they don't know where else to hide them.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

OR you have, but let me ask you what IS my "POV"?
(it is changing, like any other seeker's is, i trust. or, it is not changing, and you are spiritually dead; the only kind of dead that God cares about. I only mean to point out that ones pov is easily manipulated; mine, no longer--if ever--manipulated by peer pressure, but conspiracy theories, perhaps! yours, by whatever. If we are all deceived, it only follows that we are individually deceived by something. I just note that, wadr, gabbling about Rockets Hitting Jerusalem strikes me as Raging Like the Heathen; following the party line, whatever. This does not mean that there is no truth in it, but that the agenda has been set for (them).)

That means nothing to me. I have no idea what you are talking about
a) the mainstream news televises the horribleness of Rockets Hitting Jerusalem. For a reason. there are many, many Muslims who are peaceful, loving, and would embrace you as a brother--but that is not news; even to you? So, your pov is slowly, over a lifetime of this, swayed into accepting that Muslims Are Bad, Hamas=Muslims, Hamas is 'evil' (which may be true enough, but not the point), etc) what i mean is, "When you find yourself agreeing with the herd...")

Which is what? What is my hallucination? Please be direct and explicit, please don't use slogans that I have no idea the meaning of. What is my hallucination from birth?
(well, there is more than one answer here--but the book "Everything You Know is Wrong" would answer most of it. The short answer is that we are, naturally, brought up believing that we, us, is the good guys, and them, any them, needs our help to become good. This pov is true of any nation that has pledged fealty to a country. But your leaders are rotten to the core, the more rotten the higher up you go. Which does not mean that there are not many, many good people, lawyers even, who seek to do the right thing.

Even if you don't believe a word i say, you still must answer the direct quotes from Rothschild men, in the European papers of the day, threatening Lincoln with the Civil War (that manifested just like they threatened). Or Kennedy's "...and before i leave office, i intend to expose them" (the evil cabal that runs everything)(paraphrased). Or General Smedley Butler's "Your sons are dying for dollars and cents" (paraphrased). I could go on. It is about recognizing that all of our precious estates are run by the prince of the world; unseen by the masses. It is about seeing thart Christ will not return except to a 'prepared bride,' and a prepared bride will reject the mass illusion, and instigate Armageddon. ok, i've said too much now...)


That, again, means nothing to me. Discuss what? What makes you believe my neighbor is a heathen that wears crosses?

i speak generally there, Prax--your neighbor, my neighbor...me.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

That still tells me nothing about the topic

the topic is a distraction, fed to you, to keep you unfocused on what matters, which is uniting with the true, practicing Muslims who understand that Hamas is not the way, and will follow that despite all provocation, to the death. There will be--possibly--more of them, than of those who would call themselves Christians of the same opinion and belief. I'm almost sure of that, actually--we are the more evil, i'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

What makes you believe Muslims are the spiritual descendents of Ishmael?
(good question--i don't know, and perhaps i am wrong. but i truly doubt it. it sure seems right)
Especially when there was no Islam at his time?
(um--'Ishmael' even sounds Muslim to me? i should prolly ask a Muslim where they are at @ 'Ishmael.' I'll get back to you.)

BTW I ask again, what is my "POV"? You've referenced my POV yet you haven't told me what my POV is

your pov is that thing that is declared by your premises, statements, beliefs, etc. Your pov is that Rockets Hitting Jerusalem is an evil that Hamas is responsible for, and that they should be punished for; but

27“Jeremiah, I have made you a tester of metals,c
that you may determine the quality of my people.
28They are the worst kind of rebel,
full of slander.
They are as hard as bronze and iron,
and they lead others into corruption.
29The bellows fiercely fan the flames
to burn out the corruption.
But it does not purify them,
for the wickedness remains.
30I will label them ‘Rejected Silver,’
for I, the LORD, am discarding them.”

so, i am forced to see three sides to this story; the Israeli, the Hamas, and God's. We, as americans, do not even have a side here.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

They didn't have to be Muslims at the time. They can evolve into a religion. That's exactly what happened with Mohammad. After he garnered enough support, he started strong arming the people to conform.

reflections of the Early RCC, hmm "the kingdom has ever had strong men intruding, seeking to take hold of it by force." paraphrased. None will prevail; it is all wind.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't know what it means either. Generally, the same people for generations live in the same area. If that is true, and it usually is, all of Ishmael's people are from Saudi Arabia. That makes them Arabs today and Muslim too boot.


I have no idea. I had always understood that Ishmael was an Arab. And so when I studied the genealogy, it proves to be true. I don't know how you can deny that. Ishmael died in the Arabian Peninsula. That is southern Saudi Arabia.

So, apparently, the people evolved into Muslims. Doesn't that mean that God was talking about them becoming a great nation if that is where Ishmael and his descendants lived and died?

my heart tells me yes, although surely some factual view could be that 'disproves' this.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...s+not+a+muslim

there you go, a whole page of refs for it.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

AWESOME: Mark Levin interviews Son of Hamas founder Mosab Hassan Yousef who says Israel is fighting for the world


Mark Levin interviewed the son of the founder of Hamas, Mosab Hassan Yousef, tonight on his show to get more insight into the terrorist group that runs the Gaza Strip.

Yousef made it crystal clear that Hamas doesn’t just want to destroy the state of Israel, but wants a global caliphate on every inch of land around the world, and he said they will kill as many palestinians as they need to accomplish this goal.

Yousef said the fight that Israel is waging against Hamas isn’t just for their own existence, but for the entire world. He emphasizes that now is the time to support Israel in defeating this evil.

Part One and Two on link:

http://therightscoop.com/awesome-mar...for-the-world/

yes, wow--but since they control the media, Hamas gets to be the 'terrorists.' witness what you are defending, at the end of the day. And see that this does not mean that "Jews are bad," or "Muslims are good," but that the conversation is being mediated, so to speak. Luckily Yousef only has an opinion himself, no more valid that any other heart's.

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

A very good interview.
Sadly, liberals won't listen to it.
I am always baffled at why libs love Islam.
My only conclusion is that they love anything that is contrary to Christianity.

...thus revealing your premises. this lib/conservative thing is just words to divide, to me. i am apolitical, so what might you term me, in that scheme? i am a Western Christian, who has rejected the death-centricity that is emptying your churches, in favor of a creation centered model. i have experienced Islam from the outside, and recognized that they are just. like. us, for the most part--certainly not deserving of the broad brush inferred upon them by highlighting a small % of their fringe radicals portrayed to us as 'news.'

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shaz - you are not apolitical. You have a political viewpoint, that you show in your posts.
My general observation was that liberals, as currently defined, do not like Christianity and do like Islam. I have been able to have several actually admit that during discussions with them. And, they really do not know why they like Islam, after I point out to them some core beliefs.
Thus, I still believe that we "war not against flesh and blood", but it is a spirit that hates the Jews AND hates Christians.
Also, they are not like "us".
Unless the "us" you refer to is 700 years ago.

Christianity today had an article in their Jan/Feb issue that spoke of the effect that Christian Missionaries had on "democratizing" countries.
Not very many successful democratic/republic governments in countries ruled by Islam.
No, they are not like "us", they have an entirely different cultural mindset.