Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ? - Page 276

Walks_in_islam · #**2751** 12-09-2017, 09:35 AM

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Walks in Islam again??? At the right hand means on the throne.

Seriously?

Psalms 110:1 KJV A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

The lord said unto my lord? You are seriously interpreting this as one single entity? Why two seats? Does God talk to himself?

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 KJV (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

You forgot the next two verses that definitely say Jesus is subject to God. Why did you leave those two verses out? They are the very next verses. Did you not see them? All things under the feet of Jesus Christ except for God who put all things under him. Would it have been too much to just add those two very clarifying points?

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Who delivers what? Again - one entity? One diety? No need for the delivery then. Doesn't add up.

The very chapter you reference says "then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all" Can you explain that? Can you explain omitting that?

It says in Acts "he saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God" and your own chapter in I Cor says "then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him" My interpretation of Acts makes sense, yours interpretation of the offered example completely contradicts the verses that clarify the places of the two in the same chapter.

You interpret it that way because you must. You are chained to a belief set and actually read about one speaking to another yet cannot acknowledge that in order for this line to be spoken there must be more than one to speak to.

mfblume · #**2752** 12-09-2017, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

It says "he saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God"

You interpret it that way because you must. You are chained to a belief set and actually read about one speaking to another yet cannot acknowledge that in order for this line to be spoken there must be more than one to speak to.

Make it about me. As usual. Can't stay objective, but have to troll

I already quoted 1 Cor 15 as Paul stated the sitting at the right hand is CHRIST RULING. And if he sits until all enemies are under his feet, and Paul said he rules until all enemies are under his feet, it means HIS SEATING IS A POSITION OF RULING.

Now, attack me again, instead of dealing with the scripture.

Psalms 110:1 KJV A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 KJV (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

mfblume · #**2753** 12-09-2017, 09:52 AM

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The lord said unto my lord? You are seriously interpreting this as one single entity? Why two seats? Does God talk to himself?

You said Jesus is not on the throne. I am dealing with that nonsense by showing Paul's words about Psalm 110 explain Jesus is RULING on the throne.

Are you going to change the issue and discuss why someone speaks to someone else about the picture, or stick to the issue at hand about whether or not Jesus is on the throne? I see diversion tactics.

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1 Corinthians 15:24-26 KJV (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Who delivers what? Again - one entity? One diety? No need for the delivery then. Doesn't add up.

Are you going to talk about Jesus on the throne or not? We can discuss the issue of the plurality here. But that's another issue apart from what you instigated concerning JESUS ON THE THRONE. Which issue do you want to discuss? lol

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It says "he saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God"

You interpret it that way because you must. You are chained to a belief set and actually read about one speaking to another yet cannot acknowledge that in order for this line to be spoken there must be more than one to speak to.

No, I am interpreting it the way it is reading and logically follows through. Stop dodging and stick with the issue.

mfblume · #**2754** 12-09-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

The very chapter you reference says "then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all" Can you explain that? Can you explain omitting that?

Again you dodge the issue YOU started when YOU said Jesus is not on the throne. Now, are you going to keep dodging that or not? We can talk about anything you want. But if I address THE OTHER issue of how many are involved in here and who is subject to who, we are departing from the position YOU STARTED when you claimed Jesus is not on the throne.

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It says "he saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God"

You interpret it that way because you must.

No. I am reading it exactly for what it is saying. And you are dodging it left and right.

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You are chained to a belief set and actually read about one speaking to another yet cannot acknowledge that in order for this line to be spoken there must be more than one to speak to.

Stick with the issue. Tell me how Jesus is ruling until His enemies are under his feet after the Psalm said He is sitting until his enemies are under his feet, and how that sitting in rulership is not on a throne.

Stick with the issue!

mfblume · #**2755** 12-09-2017, 09:57 AM

In talking about whether or not JESUS is on the throne, after WII started that issue of chat, we've now got someone who started that view discussing ME and HOW TRAPPED I am, and talking about how many are deity, and all the while refusing to deal with the issue HE STARTED about whether Jesus is on the throne or not.

lol

And so it goes...

Walks_in_islam · #**2756** 12-09-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Make it about me. As usual. Can't stay objective, but have to troll

I already quoted 1 Cor 15 as Paul stated the sitting at the right hand is CHRIST RULING. And if he sits until all enemies are under his feet, and Paul said he rules until all enemies are under his feet, it means HIS SEATING IS A POSITION OF RULING.

Now, attack me again, instead of dealing with the scripture.

Psalms 110:1 KJV A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 KJV (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Is this you? No. I made it about the next two verses in the chapter and book that you referenced, however it is about the verses, not you. Do you have an explanation for what appears to be passages that clarify things to prevent exactly what you interpreted the previous passages to mean?

I Cor 15 keep reading:

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Two entities, one subject to the other. Just like that kid has been saying.

mfblume · #**2757** 12-09-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Is this you? No.

This is what I referred to that was about ME.

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You interpret it that way because you must. You are chained to a belief set

You had to describe ME. You had to throw in that slur against ME. YOU brought up the issue about Jesus on the throne and claimed it is not the case. I responded proving HE IS on the throne. Then YOU asked about how many are deity. You avoided the issue YOU started, and had to make it about ME.

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I made it about the next two verses in the chapter and book that you referenced,

And by doing so, you avoided my whole point about Jesus on the throne or not trying to make it about who is deity. Why did you do that?

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however it is about the verses, not you.

Then stop talking about how trapped I am and what I want something to say.

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Do you have an explanation for what appears to be passages that clarify things to prevent exactly what you interpreted the previous passages to mean?

Are you going to deal with whether or not Jesus is on the throne that YOU initiated first? We can talk about that as well. But stop DODGING the issue YOU statred.

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27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Are you going to explain first how Jesus is sitting until all enemies are made his footstool, and ruling until they're made his footstool, and how sitting has to imply a chair but cannot imply a throne, and how he cannot be on a throne although he sits on a chair and rules form it?.... .OR NOT?

Walks_in_islam · #**2758** 12-09-2017, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Again you dodge the issue YOU started when YOU said Jesus is not on the throne. Now, are you going to keep dodging that or not? We can talk about anything you want. But if I address THE OTHER issue of how many are involved in here and who is subject to who, we are departing from the position YOU STARTED when you claimed Jesus is not on the throne.

No. I am reading it exactly for what it is saying. And you are dodging it left and right.

Stick with the issue. Tell me how Jesus is ruling until His enemies are under his feet after the Psalm said He is sitting until his enemies are under his feet, and how that sitting in rulership is not on a throne.

Stick with the issue!

Subject to God is not on the throne of God no. "Right Hand" = position of authority yes.

mfblume · #**2759** 12-09-2017, 10:08 AM

WII, is Jesus on a throne if he SITS and RULES on a chair? if not, why not?

mfblume · #**2760** 12-09-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Subject to God is not on the throne of God no. "Right Hand" = position of authority yes.

You never addressed the SINGLE POINT I have repeated over and over again..

And I'm holding your feet to the fire. How can he not be on a throne if he RULES while SITTING?

YOU reconcile these passages:

Psalms 110:1 KJV A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 KJV (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. (26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death