Sleeping with Uncle Jeff

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Sister Rhoni I was referring to a perverse spirit actually.All of the above that I mentioned possess a perverse spirit whether it be pedophillia or homosexuality.The difference is whether a person has a lying spirit coupled with that perverse spirit.They are usually twin spirits.When a person is
closet homosexual they are embracing a lying spirit as well.If they are open they are not lying.They are embracing a spirit of deception but not a lying spirit.It may be different manifestations of a perverse spirit but it is one and the same.I want to reveal this as well.If a man or woman is embracing pornography they are embracing a perverse spirit as well and it is couple with a lying spirit.It is the same spirit.It might be manifesting in a different behavior but its the same spirit.There is no difference in the spiritual realm
when you go to cast this out.

Sis. T.,

I hear what you are saying but I do not fully agree. I do agree that the spirit realm is involved here. [not all homosexuals, closet or otherwise, have preverse or lying spirits just because they don't 'come out'.]

I DO NOT PRETEND TO KNOW ALL ABOUT THE SPIRIT REALM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOU CAN BE OPPRESSED BY SPIRITS OR YOU CAN BE POSSESSED.

You cannot make blanket statements that lump all homosexuals in with pedophiles because they are not the same...they are different. You can be a homosexual without being a pedophile. You can be a homosexual and not have a perverse spirit. You cannot be a pedophile and not have a perverse spirit.

You are correct that a perverse spirit and a lying spirit coupled together are a major stronghold in a person's life and the casting out of this spirit can be done, but the possessed has to want freed.

I think for the purpose of this thread that bringing homosexuality into it muddies the water. This is not about homosexuals but about a heterosexual who is a known pedophile.

Respectfully, Sis. Rhoni

After sharing a little of this debacle with my wife, her one comment was "We are definitely in the end times for men are waxing worse and worse!"

All I could say was AMEN!

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by dizzyde

There are MANY life-long problems that come from being abused, and few are ever conquered unless the person at some point is able to get real help. And it is MUCH more prevelent than any of us want to admit. It has been swept under the rug for years, until recently, and I think in a lot of cases in the past, people genuinely did not know what to do with it. Not only in the church, but in society in general. I have close frienships with no less than 4 people who were molested as children, and ignored by their parents on up when they told. It is such a horrible thing, I think it is easier to pretend that it isn't real. I am not in any way excusing these parents, they have scarred their children for life.

One of my best friends actually went to jail a few years ago because of a crime an addictive behavior led her to, and I would directly link that behavior to the consequences of what happened in her childhood. (She has been in church her entire life) The best thing that came out of it is the court ordered counseling that she received, I think she finally may have been able to turn the corner over it.

What I am saying is, the more we turn our back on this subject, the more lives will continue to be irreversibly damaged. Children are our most precious gifts, and we have to, even in the church, guard them. In the long run, you are your childs only line of defense, and you must question everyone and everything that they come in contact with. It is hard work to be a good parent, but that is our ultimate job. No matter if it is inconvenient, or embarassing, or exhausting, that is OUR JOB.

Just thought I'd post this here:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=8499

I posted this on 10/03/07:

Abuse Can Be An Opportunity
Yesterday, I presented an idea of mine (concerning an issue I feel very passionate about) to a psychologist who attends my church; and here are the results:

It looks as though this psychologist will be giving a seminar about sexual abuse. It will be for all the parents of the students at the Christian school my children attend. He will give statistics, tell about the warning signs, emphasize the fact that most children don't tell, and encourage parents to begin talking openly & comfortably with their children (AND with other adults/parents) about the issues and dangers of sexual abuse.

He has already spoken to the principal and vp of the school and they agree that it's a good idea. In fact, the principal is now planning to speak at this seminar as well, about sexual predators online; the dangers, how to prevent it, etc.

Not only THAT, but the psychologist also wants to present this seminar to our church. AND, he is going to find out if he can do this seminar for our community through the Christian counseling center at which he works!

I will be doing the research, putting together the Power Point slide show, and getting all the documentation ready. I'm doing all the behind-the-scenes stuff and then he will do the public speaking.

I'm also going to ask a woman from my church if she would be willing to give her testimony at these seminars. She gave her testimony at one of our ladies conferences about the fact that she was sexually abused and how Jesus is a healer of broken lives. So I'm hoping that she will get involved as well.

I may even add some of my own story/info, of having been sexually abused, to be read/presented.

Do you realize how wonderful this is?! This may save some children from the torture of abuse, and/or encourage parents to talk to their kids openly and COMFORTABLY which will open the door for children to reveal their abuse. This could stop abuse early in the lives of some children!

I was thinking about the fact that we talk to our kids about "stranger danger," and that's important, I agree. However, look at the statistics of sexual abuse (versus being approached by a stranger, or being kidnapped). Sexual abuse, incest, rape, molestation stats: 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually abused before their 18th birthday probably by someone both the parents and the child KNOW and TRUST. "Stranger danger" warnings do nothing to help the child with such a situation. It's not the creepy stranger drivin' up in an old beat up car, offering our children candy or money who are sexually abusing our kids! NOPE! It's the 'fun' uncle, the 'innocent' cousin, the 'perfect' father, the 'trusted' babysitter, the friend's daddy, the 'nice' neighbor, the dedicated coach. (Yes, I realize women abuse children as well.)

I think it's time to break the silence to protect our children! A friend of mine said, "Silence only kills silently." Oh how true that is.

And look at the results of abuse... Suicidal thoughts/attempts, promiscuity, addictions/abuse of substances, rebellion, depression, self-mutilation, teenage pregnancies, runaways, prostitution, a life of crime, failed relationships, pornography, a cycle of abuse, physical/health problems, emotional problems, on and on.

Can you imagine if we could PREVENT abuse?? And/or STOP it EARLY?? AND tell about the goodness of the Lord and His healing power??

Man, oh man; I'm SO excited!

Please pray for us concerning this endeavor. I want to be used by the Lord to help others. I want His goodness and mercy to be made known. I pray that the love and healing power of Jesus be revealed through the words spoken at these seminars. And hopefully, the lives of innocent children will be protected in the process!

Just wanted to post & share this news and ask for support through prayer.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sis. T.,
...not all homosexuals, closet or otherwise, have preverse or lying spirits just because they don't 'come out'....

Respectfully, Sis. Rhoni

Wow. You can have NO idea how much I disagree with this statement.

All gays may not be child molesters but ALL gays are perverted in their spirit. They are perverted whether they come out or not.

Unless that, too, is no longer a sin to some.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Many victims don't come forward because they fear they will not be believed, especially if it is a person in the place of respect. And we all know that victims are re-victimized by the judicial system as well as our churches because it is easier to blame females and children than to blame men and leaders who are supposed to know better and be our protectors.

Here are some reasons many victims won't come forward - these were my reasons:

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Subdued

Here are some reasons many victims won't come forward - these were my reasons:

Exactly!

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Subdued

Just thought I'd post this here:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=8499

I posted this on 10/03/07:

Abuse Can Be An Opportunity
Yesterday, I presented an idea of mine (concerning an issue I feel very passionate about) to a psychologist who attends my church; and here are the results:

It looks as though this psychologist will be giving a seminar about sexual abuse. It will be for all the parents of the students at the Christian school my children attend. He will give statistics, tell about the warning signs, emphasize the fact that most children don't tell, and encourage parents to begin talking openly & comfortably with their children (AND with other adults/parents) about the issues and dangers of sexual abuse.

He has already spoken to the principal and vp of the school and they agree that it's a good idea. In fact, the principal is now planning to speak at this seminar as well, about sexual predators online; the dangers, how to prevent it, etc.

Not only THAT, but the psychologist also wants to present this seminar to our church. AND, he is going to find out if he can do this seminar for our community through the Christian counseling center at which he works!

I will be doing the research, putting together the Power Point slide show, and getting all the documentation ready. I'm doing all the behind-the-scenes stuff and then he will do the public speaking.

I'm also going to ask a woman from my church if she would be willing to give her testimony at these seminars. She gave her testimony at one of our ladies conferences about the fact that she was sexually abused and how Jesus is a healer of broken lives. So I'm hoping that she will get involved as well.

I may even add some of my own story/info, of having been sexually abused, to be read/presented.

Do you realize how wonderful this is?! This may save some children from the torture of abuse, and/or encourage parents to talk to their kids openly and COMFORTABLY which will open the door for children to reveal their abuse. This could stop abuse early in the lives of some children!

I was thinking about the fact that we talk to our kids about "stranger danger," and that's important, I agree. However, look at the statistics of sexual abuse (versus being approached by a stranger, or being kidnapped). Sexual abuse, incest, rape, molestation stats: 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually abused before their 18th birthday probably by someone both the parents and the child KNOW and TRUST. "Stranger danger" warnings do nothing to help the child with such a situation. It's not the creepy stranger drivin' up in an old beat up car, offering our children candy or money who are sexually abusing our kids! NOPE! It's the 'fun' uncle, the 'innocent' cousin, the 'perfect' father, the 'trusted' babysitter, the friend's daddy, the 'nice' neighbor, the dedicated coach. (Yes, I realize women abuse children as well.)

I think it's time to break the silence to protect our children! A friend of mine said, "Silence only kills silently." Oh how true that is.

And look at the results of abuse... Suicidal thoughts/attempts, promiscuity, addictions/abuse of substances, rebellion, depression, self-mutilation, teenage pregnancies, runaways, prostitution, a life of crime, failed relationships, pornography, a cycle of abuse, physical/health problems, emotional problems, on and on.

Can you imagine if we could PREVENT abuse?? And/or STOP it EARLY?? AND tell about the goodness of the Lord and His healing power??

Man, oh man; I'm SO excited!

Please pray for us concerning this endeavor. I want to be used by the Lord to help others. I want His goodness and mercy to be made known. I pray that the love and healing power of Jesus be revealed through the words spoken at these seminars. And hopefully, the lives of innocent children will be protected in the process!

Just wanted to post & share this news and ask for support through prayer.

I think this is great. My sister is involved in helping others that have been abused. If she thinks a young girl is in an abusive situation, she will do her best to get the girl to open up about it so that she can help. She can spot troubled girls instantly. We need to be on guard to things such as this.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I think this is great. My sister is involved in helping others that have been abused. If she thinks a young girl is in an abusive situation, she will do her best to get the girl to open up about it so that she can help. She can spot troubled girls instantly. We need to be on guard to things such as this.

Exactly!

It's wonderful what your sister's doing for young girls. Abuse victims need someone they can trust to open up to.

How long has your sister been doing this? Has she had good results?

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Subdued

Exactly!

It's wonderful what your sister's doing for young girls. Abuse victims need someone they can trust to open up to.

How long has your sister been doing this? Has she had good results?

She has been doing it around thirteen years. I don't really know about the results. We don't live in the same city and she doesn't discuss the issues with me. I know that it is hard to get girls to open up about what is really going on.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

There is a statute of limitations about this and maybe your sister can find out what it is...but I think it might be better for your parents to apologize to her and let her know they didn't know what to do and just wanted to protect her reputation.

My brother does not wish any ill toward his perpetators. I think, he thinks, he has forgiven them. He may well have but the effects last a lifetime. There are support groups which have perpetrators and victims in the same group [not the perpetrators of those victims]. It sometimes helps heal when a victim confronts someone else who is a perpetrator even if not theirs and ask why. Then tell them what they think of them and how their actions have hurt them.

The one thing that keeps me/my heart focused is that I know most of the perpetrators have once been the victim. You would think that they would not want anyone to feel like they felt when they were being victimized but many times this is the only way they have been modeled about what "love" is, especially if the molestation came from a family member who told them they were 'special' and they "loved them the most."

If counselors can catch the victims and reparent/retrain them as to what good and healthy love is then we can stop the victims from becoming the perpetrators. There is a point where perpetrators become reprobate and cannot determine between right and wrong and they are very dangerous people.

Mrs....all I can say is that I am where you are and I wish I could make things right for my brother, like you wish you could make things right for your sister...but we can't. We have to trust that God can take what the devil meant to destroy them and make them an instrument of peace for another who may have been in the same situation.

Many ask..."Where was God while this was going on?" He was crying and holding the person so they would not die. He does not take away the will of another to not do these things but be not deceived...there is a day of accountability and God will repay.

Sincerely, Rhoni

AMEN!! Jesus can DEFINITELY turn lives around. He can take what was once only pain and anguish and turn it into a passion to help others experiencing the same!! He's done just that for me.

God is good like that!!!!!!!