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View Poll Results: Adino's statement (in post #1) expresses my understanding concerning water baptism:
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Old 10-03-2007, 02:50 PM
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God isn't gonna pour His Spirit out on an unrepentant heart.
That's what I thought you meant.

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Old 10-03-2007, 03:13 PM
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Old 10-03-2007, 03:35 PM
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Baptism for a believer is a likeness of the burial of Christ. I'd call that symbolism. BUT baptism is more than just a likeness of a Christ's burial, but there is an actual spiritual work that happens in baptism...Romans 6:6... knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, Baptism is a work of the Spirit in remitting sin AND it is done in symbolic likeness with Christ's burial.

http://www.answers.com/topic/symbolism?cat=health
I feel that water baptism has been followed by too many folks as a ritual that was merely being cooperated with between some guy who is seen as 'should know' and some body else who doesn't know but wants to "do what they were told" by the guy who should know.

The causalty in this is a growing population of folks who have participated in this as a scriptural mandate, a ritual, rather than entering into it having already seen/heard its promise of deliverance in their spirit...i.e., by faith.

A new birth that IS FROM ABOVE (Pel, I agree with your assertion about the second birth) is coupled with a death and burial of some former thing, and this operation is ALSO from above.

None of us have any idea how "in the spirit" our old self is crucified with him. But hearing a witness in our spirit, our faith takes us into the waters of baptism to achieve the cutting away of the body of sin by the circumcision of Christ.

Too many folks have entered into the waters of baptism because somebody said, "hey, you need to get baptised!" Phillip knew there was a condition that was needed for the Enuch to enter the water, he must first believe on the work of the one that Phillip preached, that Jesus was the Son of God, Messiah, the Lamb of God.

Too many folks have their own experience with water baptism as a testimony of just doing what they were told to do, for them it is just a command in the bible. Check the box, get it done.

Death and burial are the precursors for a second birth.
Death and burial is a deliverance from the captivity of our old self.
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:20 PM
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News flash, ya don't get the HG w/out repentance.
Then remission of sins is at repentance
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:28 PM
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How many times did the the Hebrews in Egypt apply blood to the entrance of the doorway to thier homes? I believe it was......... let me see here....... once to the left side of the door............once to the right side of the door..
....... and once to the top of the door..........hmmmmmm, if my math is correct, that would be three steppin. You don't want none Dan! step back!
Confusing. You're really saying that making sure that the door was covered on every side was three different and distinct acts??? And symbolic of 3 steps to salvation that could take place months apart?
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:29 PM
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:37 PM
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You have never stated the proper response is found in Acts 2:38 (to my knowledge).


PP, you get the benefit of the doubt of not seeing him state it...so here is your proof.



http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...nse#post248371
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:42 PM
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So it is a three step position that one who repented and was filled with HG, lived in Arizona and died before made it to the lake to be baptized is lost without hope?
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If baptism "washes away sin", how does one get the HG before sins are remitted?
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So the three steppers believe Cornelius was a mistake or that he faked it so well that Peter was confused?
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So Cornelius did really recieve the HG BEFORE being baptised? BUT how is that possible?
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And the question that was avoided earlier? If Joe get HG, speaks in tongues, after sincerely repenting, but dies before making it to church to "be Buried" and "have sins washed away", he is doomed to hell.

God Who knows the future and that he would not make it to the church to be baptised, just filled him for a teaser?
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And if Cornelius or someone in the household had died before the water got there?
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Those who would say this, basically that Cornelius got the HG on credit? So once having recieved it, his free will was destroyed and he could not change his mind about later being baptised?


Interesting none of the outcome scenarios of actually applying the "3 step" doctrine were addressed, starting to think one of the three steps is the side step.
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:49 PM
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PP, you get the benefit of the doubt of not seeing him state it...so here is your proof.



http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...nse#post248371


And some more:


http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...3&postcount=35
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:51 PM
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PP, you get the benefit of the doubt of not seeing him state it...so here is your proof.



http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...nse#post248371
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And check out the bottom quote that Dan is endorsing:


http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=152
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