Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am continually amused by those who think they know the inner workings of religious bodies who, in fact, know absolutely zilch.

We may have a myriad of problems, but FM is definitely not one of them.

Right! I think that there's a message here somewhere.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am continually amused by those who think they know the inner workings of religious bodies who, in fact, know absolutely zilch.

We may have a myriad of problems, but FM is definitely not one of them.

Ok, what do you think is the #1 issue in the UPCI?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Ok, what do you think is the #1 issue in the UPCI?

This should be a thread of it's own.


The UPCI should rethink it's relationship with non OP Christians, both in offical statement and practice.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Ok, what do you think is the #1 issue in the UPCI?

Bro, I love ya, but I wouldn't touch that one with a ten foot pole.

My safest answer is that we live in an archaic feudal system mentality. We build our own little kingdoms and war against each other as if we are playing Risk.

By we I mean me as well. I am definitely a product of my environment and upbringing. The way I feel disturbs me to my core.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Bro, I love ya, but I wouldn't touch that one with a ten foot pole.

My safest answer is that we live in an archaic feudal system mentality. We build our own little kingdoms and war against each other as if we are playing Risk.

By we I mean me as well. I am definitely a product of my environment and upbringing. The way I feel disturbs me to my core.

I love playing Risk. My nephew beat both my son and I last weekend. I made bolds attacks that ended me having any kingdom at all........

I think building personal kingdoms could be a problem, but I think it more of a problem of fruit production. If Jesus is the root Love will be the fruit.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Bro, I love ya, but I wouldn't touch that one with a ten foot pole.

My safest answer is that we live in an archaic feudal system mentality. We build our own little kingdoms and war against each other as if we are playing Risk.

By we I mean me as well. I am definitely a product of my environment and upbringing. The way I feel disturbs me to my core.

I admire your candor, even when you're "playing it safe."

And I also agree with Brother Hoover's statement above. We need to start looking at things from a bigger perspective. We are far too fearful and tend to pull our heads in like turtles whenever the vast scale of our mission looms over us. How about thinking along the lines of, "What would it take to see an entire denomination begin baptizing in Jesus name?" And then acting toward that goal.

Of course to change them so dramatically would require that we make some important changes as well.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I admire your candor, even when you're "playing it safe."

And I also agree with Brother Hoover's statement above. We need to start looking at things from a bigger perspective. We are far too fearful and tend to pull our heads in like turtles whenever the vast scale of our mission looms over us. How about thinking along the lines of, "What would it take to see an entire denomination begin baptizing in Jesus name?" And then acting toward that goal.
Of course to change them so dramatically would require that we make some important changes as well.

ding! ding! ding! And... we have a winner!!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I admire your candor, even when you're "playing it safe."

And I also agree with Brother Hoover's statement above. We need to start looking at things from a bigger perspective. We are far too fearful and tend to pull our heads in like turtles whenever the vast scale of our mission looms over us. How about thinking along the lines of, "What would it take to see an entire denomination begin baptizing in Jesus name?" And then acting toward that goal.

Of course to change them so dramatically would require that we make some important changes as well.

Let me tell you why that can't happen.

1. If any denomination approached us about accepting our doctrinal beliefs we would immediately demand they assimilate into our organization. After all, if they now believe like us they should submit to our Apostolic authority - right?

2. If an entire denomination converted we would immediately have men howling that "they need to come into uniformity" with our holiness standards. These same men would wail because we "allowed darkness to mingle with light."

3. We do not have men willing to disciple at the level necessary to truly make a difference in an entire denomination's direction. A pastor's entire identity is tied to how successful "his" church is.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

ding! ding! ding! And... we have a winner!!

What about each one win one or more..........Maybe we should stress that Spiritual reproduction is to the Church as Motherhood is to mankind. Oh that we'd be like Hannah and beg and plead for offspring. I fear we've let the worlds view of birth control enter the Spiritual realm of the Church. We want the pleasure but not the responsibility.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

What about each one win one or more..........Maybe we should stress that Spiritual reproduction is to the Church as Motherhood is to mankind. Oh that we'd be like Hannah and beg and plead for offspring. I fear we've let the worlds view of birth control enter the Spiritual realm of the Church. We want the pleasure but not the responsibility.

I don't think anyone resists this plan. We are talking in addition to, and certainly not in lieu of personal impact.