Jehoshaphat didn't seem to have a problem with "choreographed" praise...
2 Chronicles 20:21-22
20 And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper. 21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the LORD, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the LORD; for his mercy endureth for ever. 22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
Definition of APPOINTED:
statute, ordinance, limit, something prescribed, due
prescribed task prescribed portion action prescribed (for oneself), resolve prescribed due prescribed limit, boundary enactment, decree, ordinance
specific decree law in general enactments, statutes
conditions enactments decrees civil enactments prescribed by God
Definition of CHOREOGRAPH:
to arrange or direct the movements, progress, or details of
They were appointed SINGERS. Where were the DANCERS???????????
I doubg if they were taught the sway. One foot in and one foot out you know the hokie pokie.
Jehoshaphat didn't seem to have a problem with "choreographed" praise...
2 Chronicles 20:21-22
20 And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper. 21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the LORD, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the LORD; for his mercy endureth for ever. 22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
Definition of APPOINTED:
statute, ordinance, limit, something prescribed, due
prescribed task prescribed portion action prescribed (for oneself), resolve prescribed due prescribed limit, boundary enactment, decree, ordinance
specific decree law in general enactments, statutes
conditions enactments decrees civil enactments prescribed by God
Definition of CHOREOGRAPH:
to arrange or direct the movements, progress, or details of
Again, I'll say that was the custom of the day...those dances were meant as forms of worship and taught as forms of worship.
When Moses came off the mount he could most certainly tell the difference between the dances the Israelites were doing before the idols and the dances of worship they did to Jehovah, just as we can tell the difference between dances done in clubs and dances done in church (insert the "helicopter" if you will).
I don't have a problem with dancing as a form of worship; all I'm saying is, WHERE did we get stepping?? From a dance studio or choregrapher...that's where.
Can you honestly say that if you randomly walked into a place you did not know was a church and saw a group doing a step routine, that you would be able to tell if they were doing it for a competition or for the Lord??
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Again, I'll say that was the custom of the day...those dances were meant as forms of worship and taught as forms of worship.
When Moses came off the mount he could most certainly tell the difference between the dances the Israelites were doing before the idols and the dances of worship they did to Jehovah, just as we can tell the difference between dances done in clubs and dances done in church (insert the "helicopter" if you will).
I don't have a problem with dancing as a form of worship; all I'm saying is, WHERE did we get stepping?? From a dance studio or choregrapher...that's where.
Can you honestly say that if you randomly walked into a place you did not know was a church and saw a group doing a step routine, that you would be able to tell if they were doing it for a competition or for the Lord??
Where did we first get dancing? Is there scripture to prove it was originally done for God or was it taken from the Egyptians and such like?
Where do we get running the aisles from? Is it from the scripture that says "I can run through a troop and leap over a wall"? If so, wheres the troop and why aren't we leaping walls?
Or do we get it from the "run the race with patience" scriptures in the NT? If so, wheres the prize after we are done running in circles around the sanctuary?
Where do we get "slain in the Spirit" from? People falling out on the floor, falling over pews, falling into other people, etc.??? I know where this happens in the world...quite a different "spirit" if you please and definitely no pews involved. It happens at rock concerts. It happens at bars. It happens at ball games. Etc.
Get the idea yet?
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I totally see where you're coming from, but you are either completely missing, or ignoring, my point.
You can tell the difference between worldy dancing and spiritual dancing. You can tell the difference between those passed out drunk in the spirit and passed out on booze (if only from the smell alone).
I cannot tell the difference between stepping at a dance studio and stepping in church.
Am I making any sense at all??
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I totally see where you're coming from, but you are either completely missing, or ignoring, my point.
You can tell the difference between worldy dancing and spiritual dancing. You can tell the difference between those passed out drunk in the spirit and passed out on booze (if only from the smell alone).
I cannot tell the difference between stepping at a dance studio and stepping in church.
Am I making any sense at all??
Nope Ha hahahahaha
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My point, Heavenly, is that some of our churches are looking more like clubs than houses of worship. Jews use learned dances as forms of worship, but it is what they are taught from their youth, not something they picked up from the local club or dance studio.
Where did those apostolic "step" routines originate?
Answer me this, my new friend. If your church looked like it does now back in Paul's day, what do you think those people would have thought about your 'modern' church with it's 'modern' music and 'modern' looks?
Our churches today look nothing like the churches from Paul's day. Is that wrong? Of course not. Your opinion that they look like clubs is just that..your opinion. Do you have pics of such a church?
It's reality that our churches, regardless if one is UPC or not, are nothing like they were back in Paul's day, but it's not right to compare ourselves to those from Paul's day because we live in today's world. People in Paul's day didn't live like people did in Moses' day either, and that was ok.
Where did aisle running originate? Where did altars in front of the church pulpit originate? Where did the pulpit itself originate? Sunday School? Sunday School contests? Vacation Bible School?
If it gets our children involved in church and helps them build a relationship with God, is that really wrong? I'm seriously asking.
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I'm not Heavenly One and she can most certainly answer for herself but I'll add my two cents anyway.
Dancing was first mentioned in the bible here....
Ex 32:19 -
And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.
If "origin" is going to be used as an argument against something, then most certainly dancing originated in the scriptures as worship around an idol.
Wow! I should have read your post before responding!
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