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07-28-2007, 11:47 AM
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When I was home I was talking with friends one evening and "the book" and the author came up. There was a distinct chill in the air. 
Even so, I carefully and kindly took the opportunity to encourage them to read the book. 
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~Felicity Welsh~
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07-28-2007, 11:50 AM
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It seems that some of the ones most concerned about the "history" are those who have changed their doctrinal positions and somehow feel that they are validated by finding men in the past who believed the same.
This is not the case with those like Felicity who were always taught the "PCI" view.
Your doctrine is right or not right according to the Scriptures, not because Howard Goss agreed with you.
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As always the pattern here is to attack the messenger ... never really dealing w/ the message ....
examples
Fudge is not reliable.
This is a tool for the "counterfeit" PCIers
KP is a bedfellow of a heretic.
Highly predictable ... yet stale.
The problem here CS is that when truth doesn't emanate from those who agree with you or it can't be "controlled" ... the claws come out.
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07-28-2007, 11:54 AM
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You can list 3 pages dedicated to this dichotomy that existed between both orgs.
Yet does your book address that some ministers, including entire districts, within the org still kept this view ....?
Does your book chronicle the debates about this issue within the org?
As in the 1973 and 1992 general conferences?
Does your book detail anything?
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Brother Daniel, you would have us accept the Fudge book without any further scrutiny. That's a scary thought. All I'm saying is that no one should be foolish enough to accept the Fudge book without further study into the whole matter. Why are you having such a problem with this? High School textbooks are full of falsehoods concerning creation of the earth, shouldn't people be shown that they need to search out for further evidence. The same goes for your beloved Fudge Book.
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There is a systematic examination of the divergent soteriological views within the org presented in this book from the pre-merger orgs to this century.
No other book has done that ... yet you want us to rely on 3 blurbs written 30 years ago to be authoritative truth and final word on the matter ?
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So now Thomas Fudge is your one source? That is plain silly, and it makes you look like you have something to hide.
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For example, some creationist articles about the amount of dust on the moon quote a measurement made in the 1950's. But many much better measurements have been done since then. |
There are those who don't even believe that we went to the moon. Everything is to be questioned and therefore if it is truth there should be no problem in strict examination of any material.
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Furthermore, during the New Deal .... various historians were commissioned to interview slaves who were still alive ...because someone had the foresight that their tales would not be told ... I see a parallel here w/ CWTC ....
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Yet even that research needed still more research. We must always do further research. It was thought that Christopher Columbus sailed to the New World with just monies raised by Queen Isabelle, but in 1492 the Jews were also expelled from Spain giving Christopher Columbus much needed funds for his voyage. Even that story and ones like it still need to be closely looked at.
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You cannot discount the corroborating details given by a multitude of sources on both sides of the issue simply on the premise that Benincasa hasn't touched the research.
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Sorry Brother Daniel but it looks as if you are making a plea that we should all embrace the Fudge book as it was the writings of the Prophets. To do that would be childish.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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07-28-2007, 11:56 AM
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Once again EB misses it ... who said he is the one infallible source? You're smarter than that... and so am I.
I love history ... so much I majored in it ... please don't insult me.
Continue to scrutinize ... but its seems your agenda is to discount
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07-28-2007, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
As always the pattern here is to attack the messenger ... never really dealing w/ the message ....
examples
Fudge is not reliable.
This is a tool for the "counterfeit" PCIers
KP is a bedfellow of a heretic.
Highly predictable ... yet stale.
The problem here CS is that when truth doesn't emanate from those that agree with you or it can't be "controlled" ... the claws come out.
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No claws there, Brother.
You're the one attacking here.
Carry on, I'll leave you be.
I've had my last fuss with you, as far as I am concerned.
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07-28-2007, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Felicity
When I was home I was talking with friends one evening and "the book" and the author came up. There was a distinct chill in the air. |
Maybe you had the air conditioner up to high?
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Even so, I carefully and kindly took the opportunity to encourage them to read the book. |
Sounds wonderful, did you add that they should take everything with a grain of salt?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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07-28-2007, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
As always the pattern here is to attack the messenger ... never really dealing w/ the message ....
examples
Fudge is not reliable.
This is a tool for the "counterfeit" PCIers
KP is a bedfellow of a heretic.
Highly predictable ... yet stale.
The problem here CS is that when truth doesn't emanate from those that agree with you or it can't be "controlled" ... the claws come out.
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Brother Daniel are who is Thomas Fudge? What do you know about him?
Please I want to know what do you know about him?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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07-28-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Maybe you had the air conditioner up to high?
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We were sitting on the deck with the moon smiling down on us eating steak and salad by candlelight (and moonlight of course). It did get a little chilly and I had to grab a sweater. Hehe. 
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Sounds wonderful, did you add that they should take everything with a grain of salt?
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No, but I know how to be diplomatic bro.
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(surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
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07-28-2007, 12:03 PM
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Tom Fudge is a "man". Prone to fault and failure (with his share of both I'm sure) and a modicum of success --- like most men of any calibre at all.
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~Felicity Welsh~
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07-28-2007, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Once again EB misses it ... who said he is the one infallible source? You're smarter than that... and so am I.
I love history ... so much I majored in it ... please don't insult me.
Continue to scrutinize ... but its seems your agenda is to discount
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Excuse me but I'm not trying to insult you Brother. I am trying to explain that no one should take Fudge's book to be the total of truth. It sounds so silly that you say that my agenda is to discount when I keep compelling the people to seek out the truth through study. Or are you just answering my posts by just skimming them?
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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