To Beard or Not to Beard, That is The Question - Page 27

votivesoul · #**261** 06-13-2019, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

Here is an example of the Apostles giving direct instruction:

"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."

They set this down as new "laws" for the Gentiles to follow.

Two things:

1.) These regulations were and are already part of the revealed testimony of Scripture. Instituting these regulations was merely the recapitulation of Torah mandates upon the Gentiles.

2.) These regulations were instituted by the Twelve, Apostles all. These weren't local shepherds feeding the flock. They had the power to bind and loose. And they used that power in Acts 15 judiciously and correctly, because they already had clear mandates from Torah to do so.

And that's really the issue. Clear mandates allow for clear obedience. If it's not there, no one can force you to obey it.

In Brother Benincasa's case, he chose to be magnanimous, and out of love, submitted himself to the personal request and favor. I respect that. I've done similar things of a different nature. Not because there was Word for it, but because out of love and for the sake of someone else. That's a good reason to do something extra-Biblical. In fact, it's the ONLY REASON (in my opinion, of course).

Pendragon · #**262** 06-13-2019, 10:28 PM

"Welcome to our church! Please scrape the hair off your face."
"Why...?"
"It's just our standard. Same thing as wearing a uniform to work, you know."
"Not really, it's part of my anatomy; when I shave I get painful, abnormal shave bumps; and why did it just become a problem in 1960 after thousands of years?"
"Begone, rebellious troublemaker!"

Men have had beards since God created mankind. Jesus had a beard. The Oneness movement church founders had beards. The Apostolic beard prohibition was a mistake; all you face-scraping advocates just need to swallow your pride and admit your pink cheeks are the abnormality, not my bearded face. Some well-meaning old dudes in the 1960s goofed, oops, move on.

jediwill83 · #**263** 06-14-2019, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pendragon

"Welcome to our church! Please scrape the hair off your face."
"Why...?"
"It's just our standard. Same thing as wearing a uniform to work, you know."
"Not really, it's part of my anatomy; when I shave I get painful, abnormal shave bumps; and why did it just become a problem in 1960 after thousands of years?"
"Begone, rebellious troublemaker!"

Men have had beards since God created mankind. Jesus had a beard. The Oneness movement church founders had beards. The Apostolic beard prohibition was a mistake; all you face-scraping advocates just need to swallow your pride and admit your pink cheeks are the abnormality, not my bearded face. Some well-meaning old dudes in the 1960s goofed, oops, move on.

Admitting mistakes is a slippery slope...people might start questioning all kinds of stuff.

You know...Id respect the "ministry" a lot more if they DID admit to mistakes and admit they were wrong.

True...if you make that admission depending on what you have been preaching...people may get mad and leave and not go to "your church" anymore...but it may also get them to read the Bible with fresh eyes for themselves and discover a savior they never really knew as much as they thought.

And geez...how much burnout is in ministry these days? Maybe that mess will calm down when they stop feeling like they gotta micromanage and play 4D chess with how Christ builds His church.

Remember He said that He would build it...He never subcontracted that out to "ministry"

We are supposed to take His Word and use that, not just add amendments to it.

How many of you would intern at one of Gordon Ramsey's Michelin Star restaurants and go adjust his recipe?

We wouldnt cause he knows what hes doing way better than I do and it'd probably get me cussed out and fired.

So why in the name of Jeremiah Peabodies Polyunsaturated Quick Disolving Fast Acting Pleasant Tasting Green And Purple Pills do we think that God intends to just turn His plan over to the whims of humanity to put words in His mouth willy nilly?

God:"My plan is the pinnacle of perfection...I have it all worked out...but here...YOU drive."

Really?

I thought He came, bled, died and came back so that there could be more of Him less of us in our lives but its like we just wanna keep Him around for the fun parts and edge Him out the door on the others...cause you know...reliable human nature and all that.

Ever think that the spirit of antichrist isnt some boogieman off in Europe somewhere trying to chip us but maybe its the part of the Church trying to do it our way instead of His way?

Sister Alvear · #**264** 06-14-2019, 08:40 AM

Just wondering if Moses had a beard? ��

Sister Alvear · #**265** 06-14-2019, 08:40 AM

Or maybe Father Abraham ?

n david · #**266** 06-14-2019, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just wondering if Moses had a beard? ��

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Or maybe Father Abraham ?

Well, sure THEY had one.

But then the 60s and 70s came around with the dirty hippies and ruined it for white men everywhere.

Apostolic1ness · #**267** 06-14-2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83

admitting mistakes is a slippery slope...people might start questioning all kinds of stuff.

You know...id respect the "ministry" a lot more if they did admit to mistakes and admit they were wrong.

True...if you make that admission depending on what you have been preaching...people may get mad and leave and not go to "your church" anymore...but it may also get them to read the bible with fresh eyes for themselves and discover a savior they never really knew as much as they thought.

And geez...how much burnout is in ministry these days? Maybe that mess will calm down when they stop feeling like they gotta micromanage and play 4d chess with how christ builds his church.

Remember he said that he would build it...he never subcontracted that out to "ministry"

we are supposed to take his word and use that, not just add amendments to it.

How many of you would intern at one of gordon ramsey's michelin star restaurants and go adjust his recipe?

We wouldnt cause he knows what hes doing way better than i do and it'd probably get me cussed out and fired.

So why in the name of jeremiah peabodies polyunsaturated quick disolving fast acting pleasant tasting green and purple pills do we think that god intends to just turn his plan over to the whims of humanity to put words in his mouth willy nilly?

God:"my plan is the pinnacle of perfection...i have it all worked out...but here...you drive."

really?

I thought he came, bled, died and came back so that there could be more of him less of us in our lives but its like we just wanna keep him around for the fun parts and edge him out the door on the others...cause you know...reliable human nature and all that.

ever think that the spirit of antichrist isnt some boogieman off in europe somewhere trying to chip us but maybe its the part of the church trying to do it our way instead of his way?

no

Tithesmeister · #**268** 06-14-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Or maybe Father Abraham ?

What about King David?

We hear about David being a man after God’s own heart. And he danced before the Lord with all of his might. Therefore WE should dance in church although we should keep our (3/4 length sleeved) clothing on.

But David wore a beard. Therefore it is only logical to conclude that if you wanna be the man after God’s own heart . . .

Ya gotta let it GROW.

SHAVING IS FOR SINNERS. HA!!

I’m getting doodads just thinking about it. I think I’ll preach!!!

Apostolic1ness · #**269** 06-14-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

What about King David?

We hear about David being a man after God’s own heart. And he danced before the Lord with all of his might. Therefore WE should dance in church although we should keep our (3/4 length sleeved) clothing on.

But David wore a beard. Therefore it is only logical to conclude that if you wanna be the man after God’s own heart . . .

Ya gotta let it GROW.

SHAVING IS FOR SINNERS. HA!!

I’m getting doodads just thinking about it. I think I’ll preach!!!

David also committed murder and adultery yet was still a man after God's own heart but I wouldn't recommend committing murder and adultery.

Based on the "logical conclusions" your coming to I guess these things will make you a man after God's own heart like David right?

n david · #**270** 06-14-2019, 02:33 PM

Who cares about context! Let's make stuff up.

Samson had long hair which gave him strength.
Samuel also was given a Nazarite vow and he was a Prophet who's anointing oil ran down his beard.

Thus, all men who wish to be mighty men of strength and Prophets of God should grow their hair long and grow beards!