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05-25-2007, 08:52 PM
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05-25-2007, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Is this David F. Gray? He a former PCI official ... was he Water and Spirit?
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From my knowledge, he was water and spirit.
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05-25-2007, 10:38 PM
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DG was pretty conservative
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05-25-2007, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
PP,
The AS was engineered by Paul Price, L.E. Westburg, and David Gray.
I only met Brother Gray once, and didn't know him personally, but knew Brother Westburg very well, and still talk to Paul Price at least once a month, sometimes more.
The primary reason for the AS was the strengthening of the New Birth message, because there were men like Mickey Friend and his ilk that did not believe it.
I spoke with these men at length.
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Again, I have no problem signing a document that affirms my belief in the New Birth message. However, I do think the AS has been used for reasons other than that.
It has been used to mandate the teaching of a particular code of conduct.
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05-26-2007, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Again, I have no problem signing a document that affirms my belief in the New Birth message. However, I do think the AS has been used for reasons other than that.
It has been used to mandate the teaching of a particular code of conduct.
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Whatever it may have been used for, that was the original intent.
Does anyone know of a single person who has ever lost their license because they weren't preaching standards to suit a district board?
I personally do not.
I think you would be hard pressed to come up with many, if any.
I know men all over who don't teach standards anywhere near even a moderate stance, and they receive no flack whatsoever.
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05-26-2007, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
Whatever it may have been used for, that was the original intent.
Does anyone know of a single person who has ever lost their license because they weren't preaching standards to suit a district board?
I personally do not.
I think you would be hard pressed to come up with many, if any.
I know men all over who don't teach standards anywhere near even a moderate stance, and they receive no flack whatsoever.
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No way!!!! Not in the UPC! Don't you know they are trying to run all of the non-UC's out of the camp? They've been doing it for years. 
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05-26-2007, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Wrong again. We've had these discussions countless times .... actually Elder Epley almost left the forum when the topic of Jesus name baptism came up several weeks ago ... he did not like my response or that of another poster.
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They made an insulting remark about the Name of Jesus not this Campbellite view he is espousing now.
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05-26-2007, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
PP,
The AS was engineered by Paul Price, L.E. Westburg, and David Gray.
I only met Brother Gray once, and didn't know him personally, but knew Brother Westburg very well, and still talk to Paul Price at least once a month, sometimes more.
The primary reason for the AS was the strengthening of the New Birth message, because there were men like Mickey Friend and his ilk that did not believe it.
I spoke with these men at length.
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Do NOT confuse anyone with the facts.
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05-26-2007, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Is this David F. Gray? He was a former PCI official ... was he Water and Spirit?
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Yes he was a water and Spirit though he was PCI and so was Haney his brother-in-law however I think they believed some form of "light doctrine."
Reformed Dave can answer this he has before but I am sure I am correct. There were PCI men that believed the new birth message.
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05-26-2007, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Even more ironic ... is that when you sign ... you affirm that only baptism remits sin ... repentance plus baptism which most PACJers believe is absent in the Fundemental Doctrine article ... more useless trivia ... I guess ....
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Why is that it only quotes Acts 2:38 and according to you and the Baptist think for can be interpeted "because of?" Now you are incorrect but if someone had interpeted in that manner then what would be the objection??
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