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Old 03-01-2011, 11:24 AM
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Re: Missing Wisconsin Democrats

Light - what is your solution for the budget issues in Wisconsin?
And in other states, as well?
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Old 03-01-2011, 12:38 PM
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The democrats and unions have given every thing this guy asked for except collective bargaining.
He is not about balancing the budget, he is about busting unions.
He got more that he expected though. He woke a sleeping giant. 60 % of americans polled according to FOX are against the Gov.
The WI. constitution says the capital will aways be open to the people, this man is breaking the law by closing it.
The protesters are peaceful and it is burning this guys backside.
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/02/27...shing-edition/ (warning....graphic)

There's more out there on the internet showing how un-peaceful these protesters are, some of which should come with an X rating.
Do some research, I wouldn't want to post some of the vile, hateful, hurtful things that are being done by the union supporters ( I won't sink to your level and call them "thugs").
There's also that lovely, thoughtful democrat in the Wisconsin house telling his fellow congresswoman, "she's dead", proceeded by the F bomb.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:37 PM
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Light! you have hurt me badly! I make a joke saying you are old enough to have voted for FDR... TWICE and you ignor me!

Where is Thaddeaus to put me on a hurt list??????
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:55 PM
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There is a budget problem but trying to take away certain collective bargaining rights isn't going to address it when you still let them bargain for more pay... unless there is something more to the picture than we are seeing... and you should want to know what that is before you blindly throw your support at the governor.
I don't think they are saying this alone is the solution. Just like everywhere else cuts need to be made in many areas
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:57 PM
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Re: Missing Wisconsin Democrats

Hmmmm....

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Wisconsin’s largest teachers’ union is an extremely profitable insurance business that happens to provide services to children. Like me, you may be a little confused about the nature of the fight between the public sector unions and Wisconsin Republicans. After all, the unions are just upset about having to pay for some of their benefits, right?

Wrong

…the Wisconsin Education Association Council, the largest teachers union in the state, has grossly abused [collective bargaining] for decades, resulting in the unnecessary siphoning of millions of dollars from Wisconsin public schools. Under current Wisconsin law, the [choice] of the insurance company that provides health coverage to school employees is a matter of collective bargaining in each school district.

In the majority of districts around the state, WEAC negotiators have used that law to pressure local school boards into purchasing coverage from WEA Trust, an insurance company established by and closely associated with the union.

This fight is about more than just benefits: it’s about a rigged insurance operation that no one in their right mind would choose if given a real choice in the matter.
WEA Trust stands to lose millions through Governor Walker’s heroic actions on behalf of the taxpayer – which is why the union bosses have reacted with violence, angry rhetoric and near-riots in the state capitol.
It has nothing to do with the kids. The union bosses want to steal more of your money with a crooked and rigged insurance scam.
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...n-on-the-side/
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:34 PM
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I didn't see anything substaintiating the claim that the insurance company was established by the Union? (But if it's true this could be a major piece of the puzzle... but then again, it would leave us with a new question: why didn't the governor just say he was going to stop the money being dumped into a Union established insurance company because of conflict of interests).

Secondly, once you find an insurance company you like and trust then you are willing to pay a few more dollars for their service. Maybe it's that case with the teachers?
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:40 PM
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jf - it's been a few years since I helped negotiate union contracts, but here is an interesting point to consider.
If a union goes out on strike, solely over wages, the company was not obligated to hold their jobs for them.
If the union goes out on strike over any other issue, then the company is legally obligated to hold their jobs and give them back when the strike was over.
There are a lot of other legal points to consider with the NLRB also playing a big part, but this could be why Gov. Walker is pushing for this.
I am surmising, but this could be a part of the thought process.
Incidentally, I was a union employee when I was involved in negotiating contracts.
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I don't think they are saying this alone is the solution. Just like everywhere else cuts need to be made in many areas
And from what I am seeing everyone is okay with cuts being made in this area.
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jf - it's been a few years since I helped negotiate union contracts, but here is an interesting point to consider.
If a union goes out on strike, solely over wages, the company was not obligated to hold their jobs for them.
If the union goes out on strike over any other issue, then the company is legally obligated to hold their jobs and give them back when the strike was over.
There are a lot of other legal points to consider with the NLRB also playing a big part, but this could be why Gov. Walker is pushing for this.
I am surmising, but this could be a part of the thought process.
Incidentally, I was a union employee when I was involved in negotiating contracts.
Thanks for the insight. Though I'm not seeing the connection if public unions cannot strike?
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:43 PM
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I am not seeing a connection either, but it was just a weird point I remembered from my negotiating days!
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